Welsh clubs back Anglo-French tournament

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/24632135

Didn't see that coming, though I haven't been following this particularly closely.

I meant the "you said no you said" of the two posters above

TJ wrote:A rather acedemic debate chaps.

It's ours, TJ.

I knew it wasn't going to exactly concern the rest of you... but there's lots of other stuff going on around us that'll keep you all interested

SecretFly wrote:

beshocked wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

beshocked wrote:
Secretfly the policy of calling bluff has worked wonders so far hasn't it?

You're certain it hasn't?  

I can't say for certain no but from the information we have so far the bluff doesn't seem to be working.

You and other posters thought that the PRL was isolated, doesn't seem like the case at the moment does it? Of course the battle is not over yet but getting support from the Welsh regions is an important breakthrough.

I didn't think anything beshocked...you over-rate me.  

I knew and know nothing - in common with most of us here.  I was annoyed at knowing nothing except the bits I did know from quotes by people involved in the negotiations.  In fact, what I was hearing was doing anything but give me the impression that the PRL were isolated.  So don't go misinterpreting me. Griff, does it the right way.  He finds genuine quotes, bless him.

No I didn't think PRL were isolated. That's just your bunker-mentality coming out.

'Bless him'?! Now that's really pushing my buttons.

i'd pay good money to have webcam access to the ERC meeting. especially if the participants didnt know they were being filmed. can you imagine? would be compelling viewing.

Well, Griff, considering how long you've kept my quotes from the Lions tour in your locker, maybe my buttons should be pushed too........................ as in feeling a little weird and uncomfortable that I'm so 'special'  

But nope, I'm not.  You were man enough to cough up with a genuine quote from me, which I respect.  But please, burn that document now... it's enough that Google and the rest of the gang keep tabs on us for Government Intelligence Agencies.... I don't need it from 606ers too.

Honestly, no documents are kept. It's all there in 'profile history'.

Griff wrote:Honestly, no documents are kept.  It's all there in 'profile history'.

Yeah.. I know that...but I forget what you said 10 minutes ago. And ten minutes after this I'll forget I said what I'm saying now............. Profile History watching is CIA territory to me............ far out, man.

 So guys, howabout BOD being dropped for Jon Davies in the 3rd Lions test?

                                          

Very disappointing, but not surprising at all. The Welsh always follow the English lead. They've been asking to enter the English Premiership for years (as football teams do) and have had the Anglo Welsh Cup (actually is that still going?) for a good while now.

I think the Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least.

So we're down to the Celts, Italians and the Unions (and thereby extensions the IRB). Looks like the battle lines are finally fully set.

That's a dream discussion compared to this comfort! At least that had a factual basis (i.e. BOD was dropped and Davies did play)!

madmaccas wrote:Very disappointing, but not surprising at all. The Welsh always follow the English lead. They've been asking to enter the English Premiership for years (as football teams do) and have had the Anglo Welsh Cup (actually is that still going?) for a good while now.

I think the Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least.

So we're down to the Celts, Italians and the Unions (and thereby extensions the IRB). Looks like the battle lines are finally fully set.

Tw@t

Griff wrote:

madmaccas wrote:Very disappointing, but not surprising at all. The Welsh always follow the English lead. They've been asking to enter the English Premiership for years (as football teams do) and have had the Anglo Welsh Cup (actually is that still going?) for a good while now.

I think the Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least.

So we're down to the Celts, Italians and the Unions (and thereby extensions the IRB). Looks like the battle lines are finally fully set.

Tw@t

Excuse me? No need for that.

 To be fair MadMaccas, you may want to go back and read my 2 lengthy posts.

Coming with such comments that the welsh 'feel more english than celtic' well, you clearly dont know any welsh folk....

The WRU is Welsh as far as I'm concerned... and a pretty successful branch of Welshness it is too.

My comments about what the 'Regions' might have done, what I mischevously suggest should be done to them if they did the dirty on their partners... is in no way anti-Welsh.  For I sayeth, many, many Welsh people that I've chatted with here, who have loyalty to their Union or old loyalties to old clubs, they themselves (many of them) don't trust the Regions.

The Regions spoke - many of us might have cause to be annoyed with them when we eventually find out the details of their declaration and who knew about it or didn't beforehand.  
But the fact remains, the Regions spoke in public; and therefore should expect ample speculation and disturbance in the Force.

Comfort wrote: So guys, howabout BOD being dropped for Jon Davies in the 3rd Lions test?  

No way!

Well I guess everybody will agree with the decision and get behind the lions for the game and then join together afterwards in joy n happiness.

Comfort wrote: To be fair MadMaccas, you may want to go back and read my 2 lengthy posts.

Coming with such comments that the welsh 'feel more english than celtic' well, you clearly dont know any welsh folk....

and to be fair you should read mine, I said "Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least."

I'm not talking about the people of Wales, rather the clubs and regions. Considering the Anglo Welsh Cup, the decade long talk from regions about entering the Aviva, the inclusion of football teams in the Premier League, and the England & Wales Cricket Board - there's a lot to back that statement up. It's not intended to be inflammatory, I've never wummed, it was just an observation based on historical links - there's no need for anyone to be touchy about it.

Im not being touchy, just suggesting why someone else might be, this thread has been a repeated shot after shot at the welsh without understanding the complexities and sensitive stage rugby union is at right now. People haven't just targetted the regions as you've done with your comments.

Oh, and apologies on the misreading

Comfort wrote:this thread has been a repeated shot after shot at the welsh

No it hasn't on the whole - its been folk expressing annoyance at the actions of a small group of club owners. Not the same at all.

TJ, as I said, some posters have aimed at the regions, others have not, clearly not.

Comfort wrote:Im not being touchy, just suggesting why someone else might be, this thread has been a repeated shot after shot at the welsh without understanding the complexities and sensitive stage rugby union is at right now. People haven't just targetted the regions as you've done with your comments.

Oh, and apologies on the misreading

Oh that's very good of you to say mate, no worries.

Like every other Scot and Irishman I did feel a little betrayed when I read the news story, but my disappointment is aimed at the owners of the regions and not the Welsh fans. From reading months worth of convos on here I think the vast majority of Welsh fans support ERC.

Goodness only knows what happens from here, I'm just sorry our regions won't be on the same side  

TJ wrote:

Comfort wrote:this thread has been a repeated shot after shot at the welsh

No it hasn't on the whole - its been folk expressing annoyance at the actions of a small group of club owners.  Not the same at all.  

You can accuse anyone of anything except having more in common with the English right?.....can I as an Englishman be offended? I'm sure all this is/will ultimately be the fault of my ancestors   

madmaccas wrote:

Griff wrote:

madmaccas wrote:Very disappointing, but not surprising at all. The Welsh always follow the English lead. They've been asking to enter the English Premiership for years (as football teams do) and have had the Anglo Welsh Cup (actually is that still going?) for a good while now.

I think the Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least.

So we're down to the Celts, Italians and the Unions (and thereby extensions the IRB). Looks like the battle lines are finally fully set.

Tw@t

Excuse me? No need for that.

perhaps implying that the welsh aren't celtic for siding with the english upset him a tad? that was how i read it too, irrespective of what you intended.

The Welsh are more English than Celtic to be fair. They are always bellyaching about how they'd prefer to jump into bed with the English.

Ireland and Scotland share a closer bond.

Notch wrote:The Welsh are more English than Celtic to be fair. They are always bellyaching about how they'd prefer to jump into bed with the English.

Ireland and Scotland share a closer bond.

Oh how naughty you are Notch.

That should generate a few posts!

Notch wrote:
Ireland and Scotland share a closer bond.

Sectarianism?

They've already begun, Metal...

Funnily this who said what and when denial and counter-denial on 606v2 regarding the EC shambles is being conducted simultaneously as the House of Commons select committee is doing exactly the same about the PlebGate scandal.

I'd like to thank all those stalwarts who have put in the hours and hours contributing to divisive, pointless debate.

I reckon I've read every word and still say a pox on all their houses.
We'll still end up with a seriously flawed competition - so no change there.

madmaccas wrote:

Comfort wrote: To be fair MadMaccas, you may want to go back and read my 2 lengthy posts.

Coming with such comments that the welsh 'feel more english than celtic' well, you clearly dont know any welsh folk....

and to be fair you should read mine, I said "Welsh Regions feel more English than Celtic - in sporting terms at very least."

I'm not talking about the people of Wales, rather the clubs and regions. Considering the Anglo Welsh Cup, the decade long talk from regions about entering the Aviva, the inclusion of football teams in the Premier League, and the England & Wales Cricket Board - there's a lot to back that statement up. It's not intended to be inflammatory, I've never wummed, it was just an observation based on historical links - there's no need for anyone to be touchy about it.

Not sure cricket is a good example. There are more Irish in the England team than there are English these days?

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:Funnily this who said what and when denial and counter-denial on 606v2 regarding the EC shambles is being conducted simultaneously as the House of Commons select committee is doing exactly the same about the PlebGate scandal.

I'd like to thank all those stalwarts who have put in the hours and hours contributing to divisive, pointless debate.

I reckon I've read every word and still say a pox on all their houses.
We'll still end up with a seriously flawed competition - so no change there.

You're almost certainly right, but hopefully it will still be everyone's highly enjoyable (seriously flawed) competition!

It'll give us plenty to moan about at least. (I mean discuss)

stub wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:Funnily this who said what and when denial and counter-denial on 606v2 regarding the EC shambles is being conducted simultaneously as the House of Commons select committee is doing exactly the same about the PlebGate scandal.

I'd like to thank all those stalwarts who have put in the hours and hours contributing to divisive, pointless debate.

I reckon I've read every word and still say a pox on all their houses.
We'll still end up with a seriously flawed competition - so no change there.

You're almost certainly right, but hopefully it will still be everyone's highly enjoyable (seriously flawed) competition!

It'll give us plenty to moan about at least. (I mean discuss)

Enjoyable certainly.
But at the key tipping moments - automatic cup qualifiers and associated freeloaders, the seedings calculations and their affect on the pool draws, the home q/s rule, the 'best seconds', the destruction of the Amlin by 'worst seconds'...

By far the meanest fighting in this debate is to be found on welsh rugby forums between the pro-unions and pro-regions advocates. it's no hold barred trench warfare. makes 606 v2 look like a model of decorum!

i think we are all just spinning our wheels waiting for the latest morsels from the table of european club rugby...not long to go now though.

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

stub wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:Funnily this who said what and when denial and counter-denial on 606v2 regarding the EC shambles is being conducted simultaneously as the House of Commons select committee is doing exactly the same about the PlebGate scandal.

I'd like to thank all those stalwarts who have put in the hours and hours contributing to divisive, pointless debate.

I reckon I've read every word and still say a pox on all their houses.
We'll still end up with a seriously flawed competition - so no change there.

You're almost certainly right, but hopefully it will still be everyone's highly enjoyable (seriously flawed) competition!

It'll give us plenty to moan about at least. (I mean discuss)

Enjoyable certainly.
But at the key tipping moments - automatic cup qualifiers and associated freeloaders, the seedings calculations and their affect on  the pool draws, the home q/s rule, the 'best seconds', the destruction of the Amlin by 'worst seconds'...

Hee hee!

quinsforever wrote:By far the meanest fighting in this debate is to be found on welsh rugby forums between the pro-unions and pro-regions advocates. it's no hold barred trench warfare. makes 606 v2 look like a model of decorum!

i think we are all just spinning our wheels waiting for the latest morsels from the table of european club rugby...not long to go now though.

I've got a horrible feeling that if there is any sort of announcement it will be an anti-climax...

What shall we talk about tomorrow? 

Seafood again?

quinsforever wrote:By far the meanest fighting in this debate is to be found on welsh rugby forums between the pro-unions and pro-regions advocates. it's no hold barred trench warfare. makes 606 v2 look like a model of decorum!

i think we are all just spinning our wheels waiting for the latest morsels from the table of european club rugby...not long to go now though.

Go on, quins, PM me a few if you are not going to advertise them on v2.

Who won, obviously

Just to add Andrew Hore CEO of the Ospreys in a private conversation last night said, no I will not bother, I found it, go and find it for yourself, it's out there and very relevant it is too.

wayne wrote:Just to add Andrew Hore CEO of the Ospreys in a private conversation last night said,         no I will not bother, I found it, go and find it for yourself, it's out there and very relevant it is too.  

I don't follow...

quinsforever wrote:Who won, obviously

am sure everyone will be able to claim some kind of victory, while all being secretly disappointed...

stub wrote:

wayne wrote:Just to add Andrew Hore CEO of the Ospreys in a private conversation last night said,         no I will not bother, I found it, go and find it for yourself, it's out there and very relevant it is too.  

I don't follow...

is he having a dig?

wayne wrote:Just to add Andrew Hore CEO of the Ospreys in a private conversation last night said,         no I will not bother, I found it, go and find it for yourself, it's out there and very relevant it is too.  

Strike the "Private" bit so.

Very mysterious... Can't find anything recent.

Maybe Wayne and SF are being playful?  

Wait a sec, just had a though (and sorry if this has been raised already) but don't the Welsh Regions have to give 2 years notice to quit the ERC?

not sure what the difference is between filing 2 yr notice to withdraw, and not signing up to the new participation agreement. prl/lnr did the former. in order for ERC to lapse, all unions would have to do the latter.

not sure what would happen if WRU wanted to leave and the other celtalian unions wanted to continue within ERC - although i think its extremely unlikely.

am sure a lawyer would know.

When the ERC are just about to fold - and are considered worthless.

I'm going to buy them out - and sue EVERYONE!

problem is, ERC has always been worthless

they dont make a proft as they distribute all the revenues - see i wasnt just making a value judgement

only reason BT vision wanted a slice of the pie was because they envied what they saw... so much for worthlessness, quins.

Speaking of which - the new competition should give bonus points for profit - and big crowds.  A lot of you seem to feel more strongly about those issues than a ball and thirty men on a field