We Go Again! The 2014/15 Premier League Thread

by Liam Sun 24 Aug 2014 - 18:50

First topic message reminder :

such a shame Strootman got injured before the world cup. Think he'd be at the club otherwise. He should have been here last summer along with thiago but we ballsed it up and ended up with fellaini.

by mystiroakey Wed 27 Aug 2014 - 22:27

Should Arsenal make a biggish bid for welbeck?

22m or so. They really need a striker.

Man u also have to think about balancing the books at some point. If they fail to get in the CL this or next season there sponsership deals go down by almost a half.

by Nakatomi Plaza Wed 27 Aug 2014 - 22:41

Not for me Mysti. Wouldn't make sense long term to bring Welbeck in. Would probably want a four yeal deal on around £100k a week, so looking at splashing out around £40 million for a six month solution.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 27 Aug 2014 - 22:51

Welbeck or Giroud...John?

by mystiroakey Wed 27 Aug 2014 - 22:55

Welbeck would have re sale value mate he isn't that old..

Peak on average is 28. He is 24..

by socal1976 Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 8:58

mystiroakey wrote:Should Arsenal make a biggish bid for welbeck?

22m or so. They really need a striker.

Man u also have to think about balancing the books at some point. If they fail to get in the CL this or next season there sponsership deals go down by almost a half.

Welbeck is a good player I can't see how he is worth 22million. I would rather have Javi Hernandez. But he could do a job for Arsenal as a back up striker and part time winger, but not in that price range.

by westisbest Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 12:34

Isn't Zigic being in line for an Arsenal move Whistle

by socal1976 Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 12:43

westisbest wrote:Isn't Zigic being in line for an Arsenal move

Yes I read that online as well, if that is the case then start planning the parade route now.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 12:47

The problem is united wont sell Welbeck cheap to a rival. As a player he must be worth 15-20 m, so you have to pay over the odds.- he is only 24 and a proven goal scorer when he plays up front.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 12:48

Zigic- the giant!! we shall see

by GSC Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 12:49

Welbeck would offer versatility to Arsenal in being able to be useless both up front and on the wing.

by **hampo17** Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:04

mystiroakey wrote:The problem is united wont sell Welbeck cheap to a rival. As a player he must be worth 15-20 m, so you have to pay over the odds.- he is only 24 and a proven goal scorer when he plays up front.

Welbeck is as fair from a proven goal scorer as you're likely to see playing at a top club. I've always thought he's overrated personally, puts in a shift but that's it, reminds me a lot of Dirk Kuyt.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:16

He scored 1 in 1 last season playing up front.

by GSC Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:16

Well thats an amazing sample size.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:21

9 goals in 9 games up front.

He is allways shifted out left. Which is fair enough. Due the man u's options . but that is far from being the least proven player up front.

Hampo looks at him like kuyt.. Well he can only remember games he played on the left..

by **hampo17** Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:33

Did he not get chances playing on the left then? 20 goals in almost 100 league appearances for United tells you he isn't a natural goalscorer.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:37

Its quite a stat though isn't it... When he has played up front.

On the left he plays like a winger.

Moyes 433 ended up allways being a 442 with welbeck playing on the wing and defending half the game.

Look welbeck isn't the best player in the world . but I would seriously be thinking about him if I was at arsenal .

by **hampo17** Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:40

Why? Could promote a youth player to play back up and use Sanchez up top with Sanogo on the bench. No point splashing £20m on a player they don't desperately need.

by Duty281 Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:40

The Zigic to Arsenal rumours were, I believe, started by the Daily Mail - just like the Welbeck to Arsenal rumours.

In other words, they should not be believed.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:44

hampo171 wrote:Why? Could promote a youth player to play back up and use Sanchez up top with Sanogo on the bench. No point splashing £20m on a player they don't desperately need.

I think when Walcott is fit he will get his shot again.

He has the best goals per minute ratio of any English player over the last few years..

If arsenal feel they need a striker I would consider it. The shouts are coming . who else is better.. Well it isn't the 33 year old giant. I would rather the English version tbh(crouch)

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 14:46

Duty when I made the post I didn't hear any rumours. It was just a thought .

Wenger has said 'no' when asked if he has been in talks with either.

by mystiroakey Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 15:15

Angel's news conference is dire. So awkward....

by CFCNick Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 19:24

I'm glad Costa has been declared fit for the weekend. We haven't scored since he got injured.

by **Crimey** Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 22:16

The Zigic move would be like a Football Manager move, when you're really desperate so just scour the free market and sign the first recognisable name you see.

by NickisBHAFC Thu 28 Aug 2014 - 22:47

Crimey wrote:The Zigic move would be like a Football Manager move, when you're really desperate so just scour the free market and sign the first recognisable name you see.

I would rather just play a youth team striker than sign that big waste of space.

by socal1976 Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 9:20

I agree, no need for zigic, and I am sorry but Welbeck is no Dirk Kuyt. Kuyt is a much better footballer than Welbeck at least at comparable ages. I think Welbeck could be a player one day but I don't see him as being a player that is worth 20 plus million pounds at least not yet and maybe never. I like the idea of giving Theo another go when he gets back. He really has developed good poise in goal scoring situations and has matured to more than just a speed burner. He has become a better passer as well over the years something that people don't give him credit for. If we can bring in a player of quality I would say make the buy at whatever price Arsenal can afford, but we need world class or near world class players to fight Chelsea, City, Bayern, Barca, and Real. Welbeck isn't going to do much for us in those matchups that have troubled us in the past.

by mystiroakey Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 10:03

by westisbest Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 10:18

The Zigic rumour was floating about when I was up in Brum at the weekend.

Couple of my bluenose mates were saying about it.

Anyway his kids are settled there. Would be funny(for a non gooner) if he did go.

by J.Benson II Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 12:44

socal1976 wrote:I agree, no need for zigic, and I am sorry but Welbeck is no Dirk Kuyt. Kuyt is a much better footballer than Welbeck at least at comparable ages. I think Welbeck could be a player one day but I don't see him as being a player that is worth 20 plus million pounds at least not yet and maybe never. I like the idea of giving Theo another go when he gets back. He really has developed good poise in goal scoring situations and has matured to more than just a speed burner. He has become a better passer as well over the years something that people don't give him credit for. If we can bring in a player of quality I would say make the buy at whatever price Arsenal can afford, but we need world class or near world class players to fight Chelsea, City, Bayern, Barca, and Real. Welbeck isn't going to do much for us in those matchups that have troubled us in the past.

I think Welbeck would be a good option for Arsenal. Fast, strong, decent ability, good hold up play and will improve his finishing if given a regular run as a CF (which he would at Arsenal). Offers something different as well.

by socal1976 Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 15:45

J. Benson, he could be a good squad player but maybe one of the young guys Gnabry, Akpom, (don't laugh now) Sanogo could also be good squad players and not come with a 20million price tag.

by Nakatomi Plaza Fri 29 Aug 2014 - 16:57

Read that Harry Redknapp been offered a new two year deal. Redknapp said he probably won't read the contract, and will just sign it. Pretty sure he said under oath he couldn't read anyway/

by The Special Juan Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 11:49

"Angel di Maria starts for Man Utd along with Mata, Rooney and Van Persie."

I would normally type #PrayForBurnley but I type #PrayForUtd these days...

by Fernando Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 11:51

Manchester United starting XI: De Gea, Jones, Evans, Blackett, Valencia, Young, Fletcher, Di Maria, Mata, Rooney, Van Persie.
Burnley XI v Man Utd: Heaton; Trippier, Duff, Shackell, Mee; Arfield, Jones, Marney, Taylor; Ings, Jutkiewicz

by Nakatomi Plaza Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:20

Looks like Mata and Di Maria are going to be playing in the centre of midfield. Very positive from Van Gaal, but could leave Fletcher with a lot of defensive responsibilities.

by mystiroakey Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:26

united to win big today 0-3

false dawn to follow.

by Fernando Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:28

----------De Gear
----Jones --Evans --Blackett
Valencia -ADM -Fletcher --Young
------------Mata
--------RVP ----Rooney

Be interesting to see how 4-4-2 goes against that because Burnley aren't great but it will give them a good chance of making gaps against the wing backs.

by The Special Juan Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:29

Got to love the old 3-1-6 formation.

by Ent Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:41

Well that's the team I predicted earlier in the week.

Fingers crossed it works.

by Ent Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:47

Sigh, phil jones.

He'll never learn.

by Nakatomi Plaza Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 12:48

Almost got punished. Great free kick from David Jones.

by Guest Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:06

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Welbeck or Giroud...John?

I only just seen this. Definitely Giroud. At least he can score goals vs minnows, Welbeck just has legs & doesn't really know what he's doing, anywhere inside or outside a penalty box.

United are a mess at the back, against top sides it won't be pretty. Di Maria looking lively

by mystiroakey Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:18

Nothing has changed has it...

And its not going to. Its time to take man u of my coupons. But every game there odds get bigger and bigger

by The Special Juan Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:27

Di Maria aside this has been crap again.

by mystiroakey Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:29

What exactly has di Maria done bar spay some wayward balls. Young has been more effective on that side.

by Ent Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:29

Well that's a penalty.

Mata needs to come off.

by Nakatomi Plaza Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:32

Pretty even first half. Thought Trippier was lucky not to give away a pen for the push on Young.

Di Maria's looked decent. RVP looks lethargic again. Playing the deeper role doesn't suit Mata, but United don't have too many other options.

by mystiroakey Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:39

RVP doesnt need to play full stop. They do not have enough of a back bone in midfield to play 2 strikers. They cant keep the ball. Only young has offered anything. A telling reflection of the ability of united.

4411. Mata 10, rooney 9... 4 defenders 4 midfielders . Simple basic stuff and they will beat teams like this.

by Ent Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:41

It was a certain penalty.

This is meant to be matas best position.

by CFCNick Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:51

50/50 on the pen. Young being who he is makes that 90/10 in Burnley's favour.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:52

RVP is infuriating

by The Special Juan Sat 30 Aug 2014 - 13:52

mystiroakey wrote:What exactly has di Maria done bar spay some wayward balls. Young has been more effective on that side.

I thought he hit some great through balls.

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