England v Uruguay

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ENGLAND v URUGUAY
10 October 2015
KO: 20:00
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester

Referee: Chris Pollock (New Zealand)
Touch judges: Angus Gardner (Australia) & Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
Television match official: George Ayoub (Australia)

Live on ITV

Teams:

ENGLAND

15. Alex Goode (Saracens, 18 caps)
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 14 caps)
13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap)
12. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 34 caps)
11. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 16 caps)
09. Danny Care (Harlequins, 52 caps)

01. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 26 caps)
02. Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 27 caps)
03. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 55 caps)
04. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 27 caps)
05. Geoff Parling (Exeter Chiefs, 28 caps)
06. James Haskell (Wasps, 61 caps)
07. Chris Robshaw (captain, Harlequins, 42 caps)
08. Nick Easter (Harlequins, 53 caps)

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 2 caps)
17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 36 caps)
18. David Wilson (Bath Rugby, 43 caps)
19. George Kruis (Saracens, 9 caps)
20. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 41 caps)
21. Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 26 caps)
22. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
23. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 42 caps)

URUGUAY

1. Mateo Sanguinetti
2. Carlos Arboleya
3. Mario Sagario
4. Santiago Vilaseca (captain)
5. Jorge Zerbino
6. Juan Manuel Gaminara
7. Matias Beer
8. Alejandro Nieto

9. Agustin Ormaechea
10. Felipe Berchesi
11. Rodrigo Silva
12. Andres Vilaseca
13. Joaquin Prada
14. Santiago Gibernau
15. Gaston Mieres

16. Nicolas Klappenbach
17. Oscar Duran
18. Alejo Corral
19. Mathias Palomeque
20. Diego Magno
21. Agustin Alonso
22. Alejo Duran
23. Manuel Blengio
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With England now being "OUT" OF THE RUGBY WORLD CUP. They clearly have nothing too lose.

SO all the players in the 31 who have not played a game yet should be given their chance.

The likes of Danny Care starting at 9 and Wigglworth on the bench.

Easter and Kruse, Slade etc etc.

what do you think.

What have they got too lose?

Nothing.

I'm worried about the Uruguay's front row causing us problems after watching last nights game?

After last night's game.... well, they'll be tired obviously.  But that performance will have boosted their mood and have given them belief that they can hold off a monstrous, pacey and inventive team running at them.  They lost big time of course but put up a much better physical and creative battle than most people expected.

So...all in all, England will slaughter them, the poor divils.  It'll be like Japan facing Scotland after South Africa.  There'll be a degree of will, but emotionally, they'll have had it.

A more appropriate title would be "Minnows v Minnows in Pool A dead rubber".

Shouldn't that be on the joke thread?

TightHEAD wrote:Shouldn't that be on the joke thread?

Seeing as this is the match thread, no.

Calling England minnows is a little pathetic from a supporter of a side that can't beat NZ.

I thought so too at first, but then I remembered England failed to get out of the group stages, so they're currently on the same level as all the other minnows who didn't make it past the group stages. Never mind, you can still continue your latching on to anything playing against Wales.

Wow, minnows and Wales only beat us by 3! Oh but that was the big bad ref!

The Ref did help Wales that day.

mikey_dragon wrote:A more appropriate title would be "Minnows v Minnows in Pool A dead rubber".

I think you forget Wales are the team that traditionally gets beaten by the "minnows"

Fiji? Samoa? Japan? Ring any bells?  

I have to admit I am rather confused as to why England feel the need to pick 3 FH's in this game. I'm all for taking pressure off Ford but I think he can handle himself against a bunch of amateurs, especially as some of them would look small turning up in the London leagues.

That said I enjoyed Uruguay's commitment last night and loved it that they scored a few tries of their own. I can't really bring myself to cheer for England in this one to be honest, lets just win and then sneak off out of the limelight.

At the end of the day Wales shouldn't have been in this group, but seeing as they yo-yo up and down the IRB rankings it was always a possibility it could happen sooner or later.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:A more appropriate title would be "Minnows v Minnows in Pool A dead rubber".

I think you forget Wales are the team that traditionally gets beaten by the "minnows"

Fiji? Samoa? Japan? Ring any bells?  

It's a common theme, just ask Australia and South Africa. Plus those three teams aren't really minnows are they, unlike the two teams in this match thread title - dead rubber .

TightHEAD wrote:At the end of the day Wales shouldn't have been in this group, but seeing as they yo-yo up and down the IRB rankings it was always a possibility it could happen sooner or later.

It's not our fault that they seed the groups 4 years in advance, but you don't really need an excuse to have a go at Wales now do you.

Bathman_in_London wrote:I have to admit I am rather confused as to why England feel the need to pick 3 FH's in this game. I'm all for taking pressure off Ford but I think he can handle himself against a bunch of amateurs, especially as some of them would look small turning up in the London leagues.

That said I enjoyed Uruguay's commitment last night and loved it that they scored a few tries of their own. I can't really bring myself to cheer for England in this one to be honest, lets just win and then sneak off out of the limelight.

Its a bit of a joke that England appear not to trust Ford at 10 without another FH outside him for a game like this.

mikey_dragon wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:At the end of the day Wales shouldn't have been in this group, but seeing as they yo-yo up and down the IRB rankings it was always a possibility it could happen sooner or later.

It's not our fault that they seed the groups 4 years in advance, but you don't really need an excuse to have a go at Wales now do you.

So you are free to say what you like about England but get upset when someone responds? Nice

He's moaning at Wales for something that is out of our control. Write a letter to World Rugby instead!

Its Wales's fault for the groupings as we had 16 on the Lions tour, rested 10 more and sent a bunch of kids to the mighty Japan and drew the series 1-1 - when considering SA's performance - not a bad development tour.

And do us a favour, if you're going to have some digs before we get shafted in this years RWC can you up your ante a bit as these are pretty lame efforts

mikey_dragon wrote:A more appropriate title would be "Minnows v Minnows in Pool A dead rubber".

I have reported that to mods since it is a WUM, adds nothing to the boards and has only been said to antagonize. Mikey your team won and not by much I should add. You can surely carry yourself with a bit more dignity amd humility in victory.

English rugby is clearly hurting and that sort of comment is pointless.

Oh come on Radge, I was just playing around, no need to have a run to the teacher attitude! I guess you missed the antagonistic comments from Englanders in the weeks building up to that game. Anyway I'm sure it'll all blow over once we lose to Australia.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:A more appropriate title would be "Minnows v Minnows in Pool A dead rubber".

I have reported that to mods since it is a WUM, adds nothing to the boards and has only been said to antagonize. Mikey your team won and not by much I should add. You can surely carry yourself with a bit more dignity amd humility in victory.

English rugby is clearly hurting and that sort of comment is pointless.

Was about to red pen but this pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

Mikey_dragon - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just being tongue in cheek, but your repeated comments pretty much saying the same thing are become grating and are serving no purpose on what is meant to be a match thread.

And this is coming from a Scotsman!

mikey_dragon wrote:Oh come on Radge, I was just playing around, no need to have a run to the teacher attitude! I guess you missed the antagonistic comments from Englanders in the weeks building up to that game. Anyway I'm sure it'll all blow over once we lose to Australia.

No I didn't I saw that too. But come on. Can't we actually debate the game like adults instead of WUMming and baiting each other. The bickering between Wales and England has reached epic proportions. From what I see both are as bad as each other. At least other WUMs have been a wee bit more inventive.

I like debate not squabbling. Perhaps if you didn't act like a child, "running to teacher" wouldn't be necessary.

He is wumming on all the England threads.

Ouch you two...

TightHEAD wrote:He is wumming on all the England threads.

I’m sure he has heeded my warning and will stop!

TightHEAD wrote:He is wumming on all the England threads.

Erm, just as a side note being of the opinion that England were afforded advantages as the host nation isn't wumming . They were clearly listed for you.

As for this match, are those changes wise? Goode for example, never really rated him. Shouldn't Watson be given a run in that position as I understand he used to be a 15? Can't really argue with many others, as England need to have an eye on the 6 Nations and how the team might look by then.

mikey_dragon wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:He is wumming on all the England threads.

Erm, just as a side note being of the opinion that England were afforded advantages as the host nation isn't wumming . They were clearly listed for you.

As for this match, are those changes wise? Goode for example, never really rated him. Shouldn't Watson be given a run in that position as I understand he used to be a 15? Can't really argue with many others, as England need to have an eye on the 6 Nations and how the team might look by then.

What was clearly listed?

This guy is delusional, Christ knows what he'd been like if Wales had lost on a bad ref call.

So.....shall we all agree to move on then?

robbo277 wrote:I'd play my strongest team and, if nothing else, look to get the biggest win of the World Cup...................

That, even in the face of stern opposition, is surely the most pathetic thing ever posted on here.

Scarpia wrote:

robbo277 wrote:I'd play my strongest team and, if nothing else, look to get the biggest win of the World Cup...................  

That, even in the face of stern opposition, is surely the most pathetic thing ever posted on here.

There is one or two contenders to be honest!

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Oh come on Radge, I was just playing around, no need to have a run to the teacher attitude! I guess you missed the antagonistic comments from Englanders in the weeks building up to that game. Anyway I'm sure it'll all blow over once we lose to Australia.

No I didn't I saw that too. But come on. Can't we actually debate the game like adults instead of WUMming and baiting each other. The bickering between Wales and England has reached epic proportions. From what I see both are as bad as each other. At least other WUMs have been a wee bit more inventive.

I like debate not squabbling. Perhaps if you didn't act like a child, "running to teacher" wouldn't be necessary.

+1

I'm a Welsh fan and even I'm getting a little embarrassed by all of the pointless gloating. If you make a genuine joke, that most impartial posters would consider has humour in it, and it is responded to in a personal way, then just leave it. As our Nige would say "This isn't soccer"

I'm just relieved Uruguay scored a couple of tries last night and broke their 12 year wait. Imagine the embarrassment if they got them against England!

It's well worth posting the highlights from that game, actually, because there was some great stuff:



Come back quickly, Big Naka. Glasgow needs you.

It was a good game, unfortunately the picture quality on ITV didn't show how bad the weather was.

Sheesh. I can't believe that nobody has posted the Uruguay team yet.

If I didn't know better, I would insinuate that there's a general lack of interest in this match.

Why?

George Carlin wrote:Sheesh. I can't believe that nobody has posted the Uruguay team yet.

If I didn't know better, I would insinuate that there's a general lack of interest in this match.

I think the game is now akin to a cheap free liquor after you've gorged on the main courses

Has the Uruguay Team been named yet? Will look something like:

1) A plumber
2) A lawyer
3) Student
4) Agronomist
5) communications worker
6) Teacher
7) Student whose dad was in that famous plane crash
8) Banker
9) hair dresser
10) Internet millionaire
11) Student
12) Ad man
13) PR Executive
14) student
15) A pro in France D2


A squad who have had in the main to take unpaid leave for the WC, some who may not have a job when they return - yet the spirit they showed against Fiji was fantastic. The pampered pros of several teams should look at the Uruguayans and Namibians and learn.

An echo of the past before Professionalism. Heart and love of the sport.

I'd be disappointed if Uruguay don't have at least one milkman or postman. It's not proper amateur otherwise.

Schit... no milkmen or postmen, I think.

What are these lads complaining about!!??? They're Professional like the rest of us after all! Quit moaning. Yis got beat by better sides, okay!!!

Another reason why England got all the 8pm kick-offs: to allow these honest, work-a-day guys to have an afternoon kip following their early starts.

George Carlin wrote:Sheesh. I can't believe that nobody has posted the Uruguay team yet.

If I didn't know better, I would insinuate that there's a general lack of interest in this match.

Looking forward to it after watching feisty Uruguay this week.

I thought it would have been a no brainer to have played Ford/Slade/Joseph unless any of these were injured.

URUGUAY

1. Mateo Sanguinetti
2. Carlos Arboleya
3. Mario Sagario
4. Santiago Vilaseca (captain)
5. Jorge Zerbino
6. Juan Manuel Gaminara
7. Matias Beer
8. Alejandro Nieto
9. Agustin Ormaechea
10. Felipe Berchesi
11. Rodrigo Silva
12. Andres Vilaseca
13. Joaquin Prada
14. Santiago Gibernau
15. Gaston Mieres

Replacements:
16. Nicolas Klappenbach
17. Oscar Duran
18. Alejo Corral
19. Mathias Palomeque
20. Diego Magno
21. Agustin Alonso
22. Alejo Duran
23. Manuel Blengio

What I cannot understand and find so frustrating is the inclusion of Slade and Nowell in the squad (not that I think they are not worth the spot), but then to completely ignore the two utility players in favour of playing players out of position and leaving the bench devoid of options if we get an injury. If they could not be trusted to do the job, they should not be there, players with some experience like Burrell and Cipriani could have been included.

Muddled Fu!!ed up thinking, that has no basis in logic and shows the limitations of their intellect.

Now against Uruguay, we play Goode at 15 when we could be giving Watson a shot, gaining more experience. We pick Youngs at 2 instead of giving George experience, Parling at 4 - Kruis, again experience, Cole - Wilson who hasn't had a run out yet and then Care and Ford who are very exciting, but will never get picked for a 6N match as they are too lightweight and with Farrell at 13. Care / Farrell- good blend, Youngs /Ford - good blend, Youngs / Farrell too stodgy and slow. It would have been the ideal time to see how Slade plays at 12 with JJ outside.

If I was playing against a Youngs / Ford or Care / Farrell - Nowell -Slade - JJ - Watson backline, I would be very apprehensive.

Just another example of muddled thinking and "oh lets give the other boys a run out". It is another chance wasted, not a lets be friends after I have gone opportunity.

PA Sport wrote:Andy Farrell and Graham Rowntree to have restricted match-day access against Uruguay after breaching the match officials' protocol

Times Journo wrote:Andy Farrell and Graham Rowntree receive changing room bans for game v Uruguay after admitting to approaching match officials in tunnel.

If some of the rumors we've heard during the week are to be believed that might not the worst thing in the world!

Well-past-it

All the players that are in the team this week would not of got any game at all if the team was going into the next round.

Why oh Why is Owen Farrell in the team? again?
I guess if your father is one of the coaches you will all ways be in the team come what may.

It is supposed to be a 31 man squad after all. but why wait untill it is too late to give every other player game time?

I suppose the big question is do England think they can win this game?

Scarpia wrote:

robbo277 wrote:I'd play my strongest team and, if nothing else, look to get the biggest win of the World Cup...................  

That, even in the face of stern opposition, is surely the most pathetic thing ever posted on here.

What else can you do? You need to have a target. There's no point sulking and limping out of the tournament, England need to put in a ruthless, clinical performance. There's 40 games before our next World Cup game, we'll have plenty of opportunities to give other guys a game, but right now it's about fixing a bit of hurt. No, it won't make up for going out in the pool stages, but what's done is done and England still have a game to play. It shouldn't have a post-season friendly feel, throwing fringe players in for the sake of it. It is still a capped game of international rugby after all.