England v Uruguay

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ENGLAND v URUGUAY
10 October 2015
KO: 20:00
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester

Referee: Chris Pollock (New Zealand)
Touch judges: Angus Gardner (Australia) & Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
Television match official: George Ayoub (Australia)

Live on ITV

Teams:

ENGLAND

15. Alex Goode (Saracens, 18 caps)
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 14 caps)
13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap)
12. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 34 caps)
11. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 16 caps)
09. Danny Care (Harlequins, 52 caps)

01. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 26 caps)
02. Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 27 caps)
03. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 55 caps)
04. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 27 caps)
05. Geoff Parling (Exeter Chiefs, 28 caps)
06. James Haskell (Wasps, 61 caps)
07. Chris Robshaw (captain, Harlequins, 42 caps)
08. Nick Easter (Harlequins, 53 caps)

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 2 caps)
17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 36 caps)
18. David Wilson (Bath Rugby, 43 caps)
19. George Kruis (Saracens, 9 caps)
20. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 41 caps)
21. Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 26 caps)
22. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
23. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 42 caps)

URUGUAY

1. Mateo Sanguinetti
2. Carlos Arboleya
3. Mario Sagario
4. Santiago Vilaseca (captain)
5. Jorge Zerbino
6. Juan Manuel Gaminara
7. Matias Beer
8. Alejandro Nieto

9. Agustin Ormaechea
10. Felipe Berchesi
11. Rodrigo Silva
12. Andres Vilaseca
13. Joaquin Prada
14. Santiago Gibernau
15. Gaston Mieres

16. Nicolas Klappenbach
17. Oscar Duran
18. Alejo Corral
19. Mathias Palomeque
20. Diego Magno
21. Agustin Alonso
22. Alejo Duran
23. Manuel Blengio
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With England now being "OUT" OF THE RUGBY WORLD CUP. They clearly have nothing too lose.

SO all the players in the 31 who have not played a game yet should be given their chance.

The likes of Danny Care starting at 9 and Wigglworth on the bench.

Easter and Kruse, Slade etc etc.

what do you think.

What have they got too lose?

Nothing.

DaveM wrote:Well I thought before the tournament started that Slade should be our 12, and I'd be amazed if he doesn't start the next game for England at IC, whoever the coach is.

We need to sort out our forward play, because our backs are going to evolve into a sensational unit.

I like that idea but wouldn't a backline of Youngs, Ford, Watson, Slade, JJ, May, Brown really struggle to straighten the line and hit the ball up?

Lots of passing and jinking, but against a well trained D they'd struggle imo

I may be wrong, but Slade hadn't played 12 before last night, it's a big ask to put him against Wales and Aus with no experience there.

I always think you need somebody to straighten the line in the backs, I'm not sure Ford/Slade/Joseph would work too well.

TightHEAD wrote:

greenandpleasantland wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:I was rooting for England and Wales in pool A. But the fans on here have just made their early exit all the more comical now. Amazing really isn't it. I think we'll leave it at that. See you in Feb lads after we have our meeting with the boks (in the rugby world cup). [/quot

Enjoy the game Mike please accept my best wishes for your cup run. I hope you'll fo the NH proud and get a win against the odds.

I agree, I really can't cheer for SA since we was robbed in the 2007 RWC final, it was a try IMO.

Yeah , its similar with me. After the 2009 Lions tour I can never support a Northern Hemisphere team. The hypocrisy that came out of that team and management was unreal.

TightHEAD you weren't denied that final - clearly a foot in touch to anyone but an Englishman

Peotea438 - looked back on your post - your a 'Poopie' - please go away

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I may be wrong, but Slade hadn't played 12 before last night, it's a big ask to put him against Wales and Aus with no experience there.

I always think you need somebody to straighten the line in the backs, I'm not sure Ford/Slade/Joseph would work too well.

It depends how you use your forwards. If you use shortened line-outs and a pod system, you could have a couple of forward carriers to run the lines back into the traffic, either to take the big carries or to run as decoys.

Saying that, even outside backs can run the lines back in, they just have to aim at space rather than looking to take on 3 defenders in an upper-body wrestle.

You look across the top teams though and most have a carrying option in midfield. It's like a get out clause off slow ball I suppose.

SA - JDV, De Allande
NZ - Nonu, SBW
AUS - Kurindrani
Ire - Henshaw
France - Bast

I think you need that option in your back line.

Tuilagi 12, JJ 13 was tried twice in SA in 2012.

With Tigers looking as if they want Betham at 13 in the long run, then should he become fit, should Mauger be able to sprinkle a little stardust then it could be a serious option again for England.

Slade looks far better suited to being a 10 who can cover 12 than Farrell though, and could play 12 for england with reasonable success I feel.

Only just got the chance to see the game and it was another pretty poor display. The scoreline was always going to be big against an amateur side but it is deeply worrying that our breakdown is so poor and i lost count of the turnovers conceded. Haskell was awful and Robshaw was anonymous; if they can't impose themselves against amateurs no wonder Oz destroyed us.

Slade is another example of Bomber's conservatism where he'll only pick in form players ahead of his in the bank cronies until he has no other option. It is a shame he and the coaches won't do the honourable thing. The RFU for once need to be decisive and get rid now.

Can someone explain to me what you see in Farrell at 10 or 12 other than his kicking?

In attack he is very negative and his decision making seems way off. The only time England has looked good in attack with him at 10 was when Care was playing out of his skin playing both 9 and 10.

In defence, he is a good individual tackler but seems completely out of tune with the game plan and his team mates.

Ford is by far the better 10 and I believe that Slade will become a better 10 given the chance at International level and as for 12, England have a large number of players better than him there.

Gwlad wrote:Nick Easter will be happy getting the MOM, hopefully his bonus is assured this time.

It wasn't Launchbury this week?

eirebilly wrote:Can someone explain to me what you see in Farrell at 10 or 12 other than his kicking?

In attack he is very negative and his decision making seems way off. The only time England has looked good in attack with him at 10 was when Care was playing out of his skin playing both 9 and 10.

In defence, he is a good individual tackler but seems completely out of tune with the game plan and his team mates.

Ford is by far the better 10 and I believe that Slade will become a better 10 given the chance at International level and as for 12, England have a large number of players better than him there.

I think it's just the kicking and solidity he brings in defence.
Not enough to earn his place in my opinion but hey ho.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Nick Easter will be happy getting the MOM, hopefully his bonus is assured this time.

It wasn't Launchbury this week?

No it was Easter.
It was clearly stated in the post.
Is your helper not with you?

mikey_dragon wrote:Like I said, it was a poor game from Ford (by his standards at least), and the ref should have blown up when he was holding on there at the end.

Still not gone away to read the laws then? Do I need to post an image of the Uruguay player trying to play the ball while on his knees? Or are you just repeating this over and over to try a wind up?

Just for reference when he did get to his feet (after he'd already committed a penalty offence) he was cleared out within 1 second and there isn't even a view that shows whether he even had his hands on the ball - hardly a case for a penalty for holding on.

It's interesting that you seem to appear on all threads involving England trying to find points where you claim the other team were hard done by by the ref, but if anyone suggests Wales may have had the benefit of a call during one of their matches you are outraged.

I've noticed your digs at England are now also appearing on match threads not involving them.

Wales are through to the quarter finals - well done and good luck to them - can't you just enjoy that rather than keep up these constant attempts to wind people up?

Why even entertain him? It's obvious he's just fishing for arguments

Heaf if you could then I would appreciate it as I only had one view in real time. I stated my view and was attacked multiple times, so surely it is you lot trying to wind me up?

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Why even entertain him? It's obvious he's just fishing for arguments

I know and I've tried my best not to get dragged in but I'm now finding it all a bit tiresome ...

Just roll your eyes.....and ignore.

Guys I made a valid point on the match. I got attacked. Wales got attacked. I got referred to as Mikey Phil. If you don't like people pointing out England aren't that good I suggest you refrain from slagging off other teams in the first instance. Another classic example of being able to give it out and not take it if ever there was one!

After this tournament I won't be supporting England for the foreseeable future that's for sure. Such a shame as I very much enjoyed living there a few years ago.

..........

we'll miss you

I was just discussing on another thread possible backlines post WC.

9. Youngs
10. Slade
11. May
12. Tuilagi
13. Joseph
14. Watson
15. Brown

21. Care
22. Ford
23. Nowell

With Hill, Devoto, Daly training with the first team squad.

He's been supporting England! How stupid does he think posters on here are!

About time the mods got rid of him.... Again