The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:38 pm

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the collage of pub regulars. We've got the big group pic from the HEC final in Cardiff, plus insets of ll those who couldn't make it

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Ale

Hen dafarn/Old pub: https://www.606v2.com/t15642p1000-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub#576037

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:12 pm

hughie1986 wrote:I'm not watching it, can't stand to listen to them complain about a correct call. I'm watching the gymnastics on BBC instead

But you don't know the rules of gymnastics either? Headscratch

by **oxring** Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:16 pm

WillyGilly wrote:
oxring wrote:

1. Vincent Clerc has now been "spear tackled" twice this world cup. He has also rolled around the floor after all manner of contact indiscretions. Much of this comes down to his woeful contact skills. When hit and hit hard, he is very happy to lift his legs up. Either that, or he is so quick that momentum always makes him vulnerable to being up-ended. I have seen him win penalties for similar offences many times. Obviously, he did milk the penalty when he hit the floor - and tried to milk another later in the game. However - I'd be interested to see some stats about penalties "won" by Clerc across all games. He does seem to be a repeated "candidate" for spear tackles.

What absolute horseshit. Wales were the better side and deserved to go through. Take that to the pub with you tonight. Don't attack the french players for diving. Silly nonsense.

Diving?

No - he was definitely tackled. He's a little whinger [pun intended] and the way he rolled around on the floor thereafter would have been amusing, had I been a neutral. A red card and a penalty are magic cures it seems. He was up quick enough afterwards.

As a point for thought, something you don't seem keen on doing - Clerc does seem to be "spear tackled" a lot. He was upended by the Tongan winger in their pool stage - and I've seen him upended in the Heineken before.

My question was merely - why does he seem so prone to being upended? There are plenty of little wingers of recent years who don't tend to find themselves the wrong side of gravity every time they are tackled - Robinson, Shane, Hickie etc. They are/were smaller than Clerc - so why does he flip so much?

I'm not accusing him of deliberately turning upside down - that would be a crazy thing for him to do. Although he is French...

by WillyGilly Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:26 pm

oxring wrote:
WillyGilly wrote:
oxring wrote:

1. Vincent Clerc has now been "spear tackled" twice this world cup. He has also rolled around the floor after all manner of contact indiscretions. Much of this comes down to his woeful contact skills. When hit and hit hard, he is very happy to lift his legs up. Either that, or he is so quick that momentum always makes him vulnerable to being up-ended. I have seen him win penalties for similar offences many times. Obviously, he did milk the penalty when he hit the floor - and tried to milk another later in the game. However - I'd be interested to see some stats about penalties "won" by Clerc across all games. He does seem to be a repeated "candidate" for spear tackles.

What absolute horseshit. Wales were the better side and deserved to go through. Take that to the pub with you tonight. Don't attack the french players for diving. Silly nonsense.

Diving?

No - he was definitely tackled. He's a little whinger [pun intended] and the way he rolled around on the floor thereafter would have been amusing, had I been a neutral. A red card and a penalty are magic cures it seems. He was up quick enough afterwards.

As a point for thought, something you don't seem keen on doing - Clerc does seem to be "spear tackled" a lot. He was upended by the Tongan winger in their pool stage - and I've seen him upended in the Heineken before.

My question was merely - why does he seem so prone to being upended? There are plenty of little wingers of recent years who don't tend to find themselves the wrong side of gravity every time they are tackled - Robinson, Shane, Hickie etc. They are/were smaller than Clerc - so why does he flip so much?

I'm not accusing him of deliberately turning upside down - that would be a crazy thing for him to do. Although he is French...

He was upended onto his topside for dear sake! I challenge anyone in the same position not to be at least partly stunned by the impact.

Glad you brought up Shane as he is one of the worst when it comes to being tackled. His killer sidestep and pace often comes with his jumping into tackles, which result in him being upended. Cue Mike Phillips running in to protest. It was only when he played against Ireland (6n 2010 if memory serves) that he got penalised for it. Anyhow such a point is only valid if the tackler is going in horizontally not aiming diagonally up as Sam was doing. Are you suggesting Clerc is deliberately setting himself up to be flipped. Awful risk to take on oneself.

by Thomond Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:28 pm

That is possibly the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Why would he deliberatley try to hurt himself? I've noticed no one has given out about Warburton in all of this.

by **oxring** Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:41 pm

oxring wrote:I'm not accusing him of deliberately turning upside down - that would be a crazy thing for him to do.

That make it easier for you to understand?

So later in the game, when he kicked ahead, ran into a retreating Paul James, threw himself on the floor, moaning, then got up and ran back to cover when no penalty was awarded - I assume he was partially stunned then too.

Come on man. Clerc has always milked contact situations - he is within his rights to do this. However, it doesn't make him endearing.

Yes, Warburton drove upwards. As every academy teaches kids to do. And for the record - Shane hasn't been upended in a tackle I'd complain about all tournament and he's played Samoa and Fiji.

The question is about Clerc - he has been upended at least twice (think 3 times) this world cup. There haven't been many bad tackles at the tournament - how is this one guy involved in more than 1 of them (pretty sure he was upside down, resulting in a penalty against Japan as well).

Either players are trying to tip him upside down - OR - his contact skills aren't great - OR - a combination of both. The idea that he is tipping himself upside down would be a conspiracy theory, nothing more. One hell of a risk to take for 3 points.

My argument is that his contact skills aren't great. I would also say - that this is entirely unconnected with the referees decision, more a question about Clerc's contact abilities.

As far as today's game goes - great shame, should have won anyway with 14. Never mind, there's another chance in 4 years and at least we're in the semi-finals. Sure, we'll be playing in the "game no-one wants to play in" next week - but at least the boys get to be there at the end of the world cup - after all the effort they've put in its the least they deserve.

by Guest Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:45 pm

Any chance of a drop of Penderyn round here... sorrows need drowning and need to be unconscious to avoid all the red card bickering!

by Gibson Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:47 pm

Well Oxring I think it (3rd place) matters. Specially if they beat a deflated AB's. That would be marvelous and a major boost in confidence. Not many NH teams beat NZ down there. Or OZ & SA for that matter.

Wales' fitness was possibly the best Ive seen in this RWC also. Poland worked well for them. It just froze de balls off Ireland in 2007.

by **oxring** Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:58 pm

Gibson wrote:Well Oxring I think it (3rd place) matters. Specially if they beat a deflated AB's. That would be marvelous and a major boost in confidence. Not many NH teams beat NZ down there. Or OZ & SA for that matter.

Wales' fitness was possibly the best Ive seen in this RWC also. Poland worked well for them. It just froze de balls off Ireland in 2007.

Yeah, t'would be good to come back with a 3rd.

Would be easier if Warburton was able to play. Not as though we have another tailor-made openside.

by Guest Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:00 pm

Gibson wrote:Well Oxring I think it (3rd place) matters. Specially if they beat a deflated AB's. That would be marvelous and a major boost in confidence. Not many NH teams beat NZ down there. Or OZ & SA for that matter.

Wales' fitness was possibly the best Ive seen in this RWC also. Poland worked well for them. It just froze de balls off Ireland in 2007.

There's a poll for it Whistle

https://www.606v2.com/t16202-wales-record-books-can-still-be-re-written

And even better if they aren't deflated!

by Hound_of_Harrow Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:01 pm

Nice whiskey RDS thumbsup

And the Green Army marches on...

Sedgley Park 8-38 Ealing. Get in

Yahoo

Fylde & Macc both lose. Ealing with a 9 point lead at the top of N1.

Minted.

Wasps lost by a point at Wuss in the LV. Rev won't have enjoyed his afternoon at RP Shocked

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by Suspicious lurker Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:01 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
hughie1986 wrote:I'm not watching it, can't stand to listen to them complain about a correct call. I'm watching the gymnastics on BBC instead
But you don't know the rules of gymnastics either?

Ah not to worried about that to be honest

by Mrs Penfro Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:05 pm

Leicester Tigers have got a seriously dodgy kit on here it's a really odd colour.

I hope the Scarlets can get a win here, it'll be good for the youngsters.

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:24 pm

oxring wrote:Consistency would be hugely appreciated.

If Warburton's tackle becomes an automatic red - across the board, fine. It would be a great shame and spoil the sport as it would decrease the speed of contact - and as Piennar said - this is a collision game.

However - when you look back over the world cup - worse tackles have got away with less. I can deal with wrong decisions - as long as they are consistently wrong.

Few points for thought.

1. Vincent Clerc has now been "spear tackled" twice this world cup. He has also rolled around the floor after all manner of contact indiscretions. Much of this comes down to his woeful contact skills. When hit and hit hard, he is very happy to lift his legs up. Either that, or he is so quick that momentum always makes him vulnerable to being up-ended. I have seen him win penalties for similar offences many times. Obviously, he did milk the penalty when he hit the floor - and tried to milk another later in the game. However - I'd be interested to see some stats about penalties "won" by Clerc across all games. He does seem to be a repeated "candidate" for spear tackles.

2. Alain Rolland is a mortgage advisor, according to Mullins before the start of the game. That would be fine, but we're about to enter our 17th year of professionalism. The players are fitter and quicker and the stakes higher than ever before. How then, can the refereeing still be at an amateur level? Either we need more amateur refs or professional referees for international rugby.

Standards need improvement. Most people have been left talking about the referee's decision, rather than what was a great game, along with one of the gutsiest performances I have ever seen.

The guy,Clerc, is unlike some other wing backs,and jumps to avoid tackles.This ability emphasizes the inability of lumbering forwards to estimate impact and make amends for aforementioned trajectories, thus tackling him in mid-air and being left with the"Uhh,what do I do know,throw him away"syndrome.

Monsieur Rolland did his best to allow a Welsh return by offering a penalty against Mas when AWJones(I think) had released a ball and then pulled it back. It should have been a French penalty. But coming from an amateur, French speaking arbitrator, that is par for the course.

So I'm sleeping with Mrs G in December Headscratch

by **oxring** Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:28 pm

Horrible dilemma with Halfpenny's penalty at the end. I actually found myself torn between 2 positions - one of which was - wanting Wales to win - but the other wanting Wales to win with honour - and that was a woeful attempt to balance the scales from Alain Rolland. Clear penalty to France at the end.

PS agree absolutely re: his contact skills - he does throw himself at people and so tends to get chucked away a little bit.

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:30 pm

...and who is joint top try scorer atm?Oh yes, the guy that got that wonderful,charismatic Warmbutton sent off today.

by Suspicious lurker Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:43 pm

Just want to add, having seen the replays again Roland is right in front of the tackle when it happens and could not have been in a better position. He gets it spot on

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:48 pm

hughie1986 wrote:Just want to add, having seen the replays again Roland is right in front of the tackle when it happens and could not have been in a better position. He gets it spot on

Horse! I've seen you in front of the finest whisky in the land, less than a metre separating you from nectar of the gods, and yet you insisted that no water was necessary Doh

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:51 pm

French rugby players started this a few years ago;costs a fortune for Taiwan made,class branded clothes.

http://www.vente-privee.com/vp4/misc/trailer.aspx?operationcode=epark12&site=fr&xtor=EPR-150-%5bAutoLogin_Success%5d

by Glas a du Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:51 pm

Young scarlets back row having a big game. Aled Thomas is a classy outside half. Nick Reynolds couldn't stop a pig in a passage and I'm sure one of his legs is longer than the other. Having a whale of a time. Good atmosphere here.

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:57 pm

Where you at,Glas? not seen many whales recently Hug

by **oxring** Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:58 pm

Mick(TEFC) wrote:...and who is joint top try scorer atm?Oh yes, the guy that got that wonderful,charismatic Warmbutton sent off today.

What's that got to do with anything?

by Suspicious lurker Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:00 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
hughie1986 wrote:Just want to add, having seen the replays again Roland is right in front of the tackle when it happens and could not have been in a better position. He gets it spot on
Horse! I've seen you in front of the finest whisky in the land, less than a metre separating you from nectar of the gods, and yet you insisted that no water was necessary

Yeah well I learned from my mistakes, another poster who will remain nameless wouldn't even listen to my warnings and ended up starfishing on the sitting room floor

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:09 pm

oxring wrote:
Mick(TEFC) wrote:...and who is joint top try scorer atm?Oh yes, the guy that got that wonderful,charismatic Warmbutton sent off today.

What's that got to do with anything?

That's got to do with your insinuations that Clerc cheats,that he's a whinger,that a flagrant,"bad"tackle on the top try scorer is meant to diminuish the opposition,that you are searching for an argument to cover the foul play of the captain of your national side,that's all.

by Glas a du Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:51 pm

I'm at Parc Y Scalets. It was Liam Williams with the bandy legs by the way, although he is the spit of Reynolds.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:36 pm

Hi all. How we this evening. How did Scarlets get on Glas?

Is Hook gonna be playing at 10 in France do you think?

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:40 pm

Hook is nailed in at 10 for USAP;he was signed for that;after todays disastrous performance,Toulon38 - 0 Perpignan, Perpignan will be hiring a private jet to get him to Catalonia asap.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:41 pm

Ouch thats a big win. I see Castres did a number on local rivals Toulouse this weekend. Munster should be wary.

by MBTGOG Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:42 pm

Anyone see Vasily Artemyev scored a hatrick on debut for Saints and also got a try with his first touch?

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:42 pm

Delighted for him and for Russia.

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:50 pm

Stag, Toulouse did not even figure in the game;very difficult to get a result at Pierre-Antoine.

Were there games in the Aviva and Robocop this weekend;saints playing friendlies, or is that Soton?

by Gibson Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:52 pm

Ah another Leinster Way boy makes his way in this World. Just like Felix Jones. We breed them, train them, show them how to play rugby and hand them over ready-made...

It feels good. Charidee always does. Spreading the Wealth. Its good karma. zen

All roysh Stag? Ale

by Glas a du Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:54 pm

red_stag wrote:Hi all. How we this evening. How did Scarlets get on Glas?

Is Hook gonna be playing at 10 in France do you think?

Bonus point win over Leicester. They played a very Scarlets game and beat a bigger stronger side with pace and passion.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:54 pm

No Pro 12 on anyway. Gibbo hows you. I've a ladies match tomorrow. Me getting to tell 30 athletic females exactly what I need them to do. Try not to be jealous Smile

I was up in Dublin yesterday and today. Nobody wanted to meet for a pint though Sad

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:55 pm

Glas a du wrote:
red_stag wrote:Hi all. How we this evening. How did Scarlets get on Glas?

Is Hook gonna be playing at 10 in France do you think?

Bonus point win over Leicester. They played a very Scarlets game and beat a bigger stronger side with pace and passion.

Delighted. Like Scarlets. Don't like Tigers all that much Smile

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:55 pm

Hup hup hup, Gibbo,
for you my dear, an absolute beauty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQI_lI0vC6Y&feature=feedlik

by Gibson Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:57 pm

Ok man. Do you want a water-boy at all? We could run a wet tee-shirt comp at half-time... Just an idea loike.

So those Dubs didnt meet you for a pint? Basterds.

Evenin Chef. Evenin Glas. Good win man.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:59 pm

Ah it wasn't too bad. I got a pint for myself and chatted to some drunk bar flies in Rialto.

by Glas a du Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:01 pm

They were big, strong and athletic, but just didn't have 'football'

by Gibson Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:02 pm

Lovin that track Chef. The words burn true. Hug

He is Cash-esque...

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:03 pm

So if I decyphered all this, its a Luncheon Voucher, Build&Install weekend over there.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:05 pm

Really looking forward to Llanelli Glas. I'm really am.

by Suspicious lurker Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:07 pm

Asbo put me in to this the other night, beautiful tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzraZuiLPUA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:11 pm

Anyone know who coached the 1995 Springbok RWC Winning team. The media has me convinced that it was Mandela! Cannot for the life of me remember I'm thinking du Plessis but maybe just cos its a common name.

by MrsP Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:15 pm

Kitch Christie

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:17 pm

Also scary thought - has Mike Phillips been one of best scrumhalves at this tournament. Probably second after Yachvilli??

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:21 pm

I insist that for a next meet up we book these guys;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2DFGkXgpuw

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:29 pm

red_stag wrote:Also scary thought - has Mike Phillips been one of best scrumhalves at this tournament. Probably second after Yachvilli??

No Stag, he's not been one of the best. Pains me to say it, but he has been THE best. It's the best he's played since the Lions.

Evening all

Am surprised at myself at how gutted I feel about Wales going out of the competition. I am sure that all the Welsh regs in here are very proud of the endeavour their team has shown, and rightly so.

I actually feel better about missing the final next week now though, as I have no real desire to watch a French team that is far, far less than the sum of its' parts.

by red_stag Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:33 pm

I know what you mean Pete. I think genuinely France will lose by 30 points

by Mick(TEFC) Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:35 pm

Pete,beware,each team plays a "great" game in a tournament.The French,still waiting for their first top notch match' have openly stated that they want NZ for this exercise.I take France to win by at least 7 against either of the pretenders.They are in the final of the world's greatest international(spit) competition,and still haven't turned up.vice champions without even trying is not in the French mindset; since the "old-Hands" have taken over, after Tonga, Ml is just growing his tache, the players will win this for/by themselves.

by Gibson Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:36 pm

I disagree. I think France could win it now. They are free. This is a one-off game now. All to gain and nowt to lose, from where they were in the pool and knockouts. It may liberate them.

Never write the French off. They love that sheet.

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