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Post by HumanWindmill Thu 29 Dec 2011, 1:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

Let's see if we can revive this old chestnut while we're still enjoying the festive season and, presumably, in light hearted mood. You know the score ; somebody asks a question and the person who provides the correct answer asks the next question, and so on.

I'll get the ball rolling with a fairly easy one :

One of the most controversial title fights in heavyweight history is linked to a true legend of boxing ( not a heavyweight, ) by a major US city and a relative who is not yet famous but will become famous immediately after the fight in question.

Who are the relatives, which is the city and which is the title fight?

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:19 pm

Your q Windy. Am impressed Ghosty. You've corrected me on a fixed wrong fact in my head.
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Post by HumanWindmill Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:20 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It is indeed Fitzsimmons, the contentious issue is also Dixon often wrongly being regarded as the man.

Well, it took me long enough to get there so I don't feel much as though I answered correctly.

Will be more than happy for you to set another one if it's okay by everybody else.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:22 pm

Fine by me. Will see if I can do better this time.
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:26 pm

Thing is Oxy if we allow for Dixons bantamweight title we can end up in an even trickier situation that is Daniel Mendoza.

My lineage could well be wrong but believe the gloved title started with a fight between Moran and Kelly in 1889 with it going through Plimmer, Pedlar, Mcgovern and a few others before Dixons more legitimate claim in something like 1903.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:29 pm

Which former world champion lost more title fights than any other?

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:36 pm

World title?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:38 pm

World title fights yes.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:39 pm

Its not Duran is it? 9 title losses?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:48 pm

Not the answer i've got Oxy, did Duran really lose that many world title fights?

Leonard*2, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez and Joppy are the only ones I can think of.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:49 pm

I'm being Flexible and counting Camacho and Vinnie Paz (x2) - both for the IBC I believe.

OK - it was tenuous - but they are still "world" titles, if not recognised world titles...

Am I looking for more or less than 9?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 5:51 pm

9 I believe.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 6:03 pm

I know its wrong then - but Sugar Ray Robinson lost 7 title fights.

Just thought it was worth mentioning.
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 6:05 pm

As many as that?

Turpin, Basilio, Fullmer*2, Maxim and that whats his name twice as well?

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 6:18 pm

Pender as well. Might have miscounted. Twas a lot in any case.
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 6:23 pm

That's the one, I make it 7 as well, always forget about Pender.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 7:46 pm

Holyfield?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 30 Dec 2011, 7:50 pm

Nope.

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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 8:04 pm

Thought that was a big hopeful.

He has lost 8 I think - Bowe (2), Moorer, Byrd, Lewis, Ruiz, Ibragimov, Valuev

I'll go away and think some more. Is this obvious or obscure?
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Post by oxring Fri 30 Dec 2011, 8:05 pm

Johnny Ruiz? He's 8/9 - depending on whether you count the IBO?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sat 31 Dec 2011, 1:43 am

Very obvious, one of the Bowe fights was a non title affair I believe.

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Post by oxring Sat 31 Dec 2011, 11:20 am

Final guess - Glen Johnson?
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Post by Rowley Sat 31 Dec 2011, 11:30 am

Is it not Fritzie Zivic, am sure he lost a fair number.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sat 31 Dec 2011, 11:47 am

Both are no's

I'll give you a very straight forward clue, he lost to a man named Beryl.

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Post by oxring Sat 31 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm

Tony Canzoneri.
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Post by oxring Sat 31 Dec 2011, 1:11 pm

Not sure whether Glen Johnson may have tied the title, however.

Johnson has Bute, Froch, Cloud, Dawson (2), Woods, Tarver, Ottke, Hopkins - which is 9 and if you count the WBU - Branco, 10.

Canzoneri has Ambers (2), Ross (2), Jadick (2), Mandell, Routis and Taylor for the NBA title - 9 (I always forget Taylor).

Given the propensity for modern titleists to "prove" their championship worth over fading names - I wouldn't put it past Johnson to be the most defeated man in history with one more loss (assuming I'm right with Canzoneri, of course)
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sat 31 Dec 2011, 1:31 pm

I make it 8 for Johnson, there's too much confusion over who the lineal champion at 175lbs was for me to include the Tarver loss but you are correct with Canzoneri.

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Post by oxring Sat 31 Dec 2011, 3:21 pm

I'd give you another question - as you had to practically give the answer away at the end...

What did David Tua do twice that Mike Tyson did once?
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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sat 31 Dec 2011, 3:46 pm

cuddled in a bad way Desiree Washington

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sat 31 Dec 2011, 3:46 pm

Swear filter win.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sat 31 Dec 2011, 3:50 pm

I think I know the answer Oxy but will give someone else a chance to answer.

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Post by oxring Sat 31 Dec 2011, 3:51 pm

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Swear filter win.

Swear filter win, question fail Wink

Although I suspect you knew that
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 01 Jan 2012, 12:39 pm

Its 30 second knockouts isn't it oxy?

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Post by oxring Sun 01 Jan 2012, 1:03 pm

See - I don't come up with nearly as tough questions as you. Kimbo Slice is in on the action now as well.

On a different note - the fastest KO in history (according to boxrec) is allegedly Russell Rees' 4-10 second stoppage of Des Sowden.

Guinness' world records, however - have it as one in a Golden Gloves tournament at Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA on 4 Nov 1947, when Mike Collins floored Pat Brownson with the first punch and the contest was stopped, without a count, 4 seconds after the bell.

However - that's amateur boxing - but they haven't separated the 2.

Which brings the next question - what the hell happened to Russell Rees? He never fought again after that stoppage - and I can't find any record of him either...
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 01 Jan 2012, 1:15 pm

Only easy if you know the answer

Not got a clue, looks like he retired, Sowden fight 6 years after his previous one looks strange though.

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:22 pm

Not my turn, but just to get the momentum going again :

Who was the first fighter to be recognised by the National Sporting Club of London as lightheavyweight champion of the world?

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:26 pm

Interesting question, Windy. Not sure where to begin!

Jack Root would seem the obvious answer, but there were a lot of back and forth arguments over what the weight limit should be in the division's early years. I'll take a guess and go with Jack Dillon.
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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:28 pm

Nice one, Chris, but incorrect, I'm afraid.

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:31 pm

Hhhhhmmmm.....Carpentier, perhaps? I believe his fight with Lewis was the first time a Light-Heavyweight title bout was staged in Britain?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:37 pm

Lonsdale belt right Windy?

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:39 pm

Afraid not, Chris.

It's a swine of a trick question, so I'll provide a little clue. He was a close friend of the reigning heavyweight champion, whom he challenged for the title.


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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:39 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Lonsdale belt right Windy?

World title, Ghosty.

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:45 pm

Tommy Burns? I believe his first Heavyweight title defence against O'Brien was under the stipulation that O'Brien's 175 lb title was on the line, too? Confusing, this one, particularly as they drew!
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:46 pm

Jack O'brien

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:48 pm

Daft is the word for me. Mis-read Windy's clue as a friend of the reigning Light-Heavyweight champion, rather than Heavyweight which is what Windy put - hence my totally nonsensical answer.
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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:49 pm

Sorry, Chris, not Burns.

Since it is a trick question, I'll provide another clue. He was managed by a gambler and racketeer of the 1930s who became very important to baseball's Negro Leagues as a commissioner.


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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:51 pm

Not O'Brien, Ghosty.

You'll probably want to kick me when you identify him but, as a consolation, this might make for a great trivia question in the future.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 02 Jan 2012, 2:57 pm

John Henry Lewis, bloody hell.

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 3:01 pm

There you go, Ghosty.

The National Sporting Club had no lightheavyweight division right up till their dissolution in 1938. Neither did the BBBC, who succeeded them in handling British boxing sometime before the dissolution. They referred to the 175lb. division as the cruiserweight division until 1937, at which point they came into line with the Americans and renamed it lightheavyweight.

Very well done, Sir.


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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 02 Jan 2012, 3:04 pm

Very easy one

Only three men have ever simulataneously defended world titles in two or more weight classes, who are they?

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 02 Jan 2012, 3:13 pm

Some sources have the Armstrong v Feldman fight as being for both the lightweight and welterweight titles, and Tony Canzoneri defended light and lightwelter titles against Barney Ross.

I'll take a stab at Ross, ( in the rematch, ) for the third.

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