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Keep it tight and we will win, if we try and go all out attack we will get killed. I'm wondering are people watching the same game here.

Thomond wrote:Keep it tight and we will win, if we try and go all out attack we will get killed. I'm wondering are people watching the same game here.

We don't need to go all out- we just need to look like we could score in a brothel when we visit their 22. Which we, unfortunately, do not.

Notch, first ten minutes of 2nd half, we tried a few times to fling it wide and ended up turning it over. We have played it tighter now and we're mixing it with flinging it wide.

I'm not talking about tactics here!

I'm talking about knowing how to engineer a scoring opportunity when we have possession in the right area. A lack of creativity, a lack of incision- a lack of the coaches needed to take us to the level we need to be.

Absolutely disgusted. Absolutely disgusted with Ireland today. They were there for the taking in every respect. You will NEVER have a better chance to take France in Paris again. A complete and utter open goal.

So proud of everyone of those players for the effort and endeavour. Tactics, structures? We engineered 3 points off structured play all game. Simply not good enough.

The jury was out on Kidney until this game, now he must go. My main concern is that the magnificent effort from the players to hold France off will cover his back. Irish limitations exposed, championship gone- IRFU, we know what needs to happen now.

Errors and lack of discipline cost us, we tried to be a bit more exapansive in the first ten in the second half and gave up around 11 points.

Thomond, for the last feicing time, I am not for a second saying we should have been more expansive! I'm saying the problem is not with the amount we attack but how we go about it! Predictable, ponderous, static and unstructured.

That I agree with, it's too flat, a lack of a backs coach is killing us. I think there are more negatives than positives from this game to be honest.

Agree with all of it lads. For me the underlying point is this. We where 11 points up at halftime and let them draw with us, without scoring in the second half.

Oh and Gordon D'Arcy should exit the international scene now before I see him walking down the street. Positively fuming.

SCRUM V on BBC 2 Wales

PenfroPete wrote:SCRUM V on BBC 2 Wales

I'm watching a programme about male voice choirs...

What an effort from our lads today.

Jonny Sexton and Stephen Ferris must have made more tackles each than the whole French team.

And Rob Kearney must have some kind of device that plucks the ball out of the air right into his hands.



I hope Conor Murray's knee isn't as bad as it looked.

Hello MrsP - I said on the match thread that Chilli would be a brilliant fireman - especially when it comes to catching small children and pets thrown from high windows

Nice to see Fez with no shirt on....looks better without it

...as for Tommy... super proud of him

Hopefully Murray's injury's not serious, although I heard him shouting as he fell. Sounded painful.

Notch wrote:Nah, doubt it! He's in better shape.

What are ye doing in here- go get laid or something!

It certainly looked and sounded like it hurt a bit, didn't it.

Fez does have a fairly impressive physique doesn't he.

I'm so glad OUR Tommy kept on running and put the ball down for his first try. I thought for one terrible moment he was going to stop playing since everyone else had!!!!

Murray will have done some ligament damage, could be out for the HC game.

Notch wrote:Absolutely disgusted. Absolutely disgusted with Ireland today. They were there for the taking in every respect. You will NEVER have a better chance to take France in Paris again. A complete and utter open goal.

So proud of everyone of those players for the effort and endeavour. Tactics, structures? We engineered 3 points off structured play all game. Simply not good enough.

The jury was out on Kidney until this game, now he must go. My main concern is that the magnificent effort from the players to hold France off will cover his back. Irish limitations exposed, championship gone- IRFU, we know what needs to happen now.

+ 10 million...it was total and utter p*sh.... can't believe anyone is happy with that. The attacking play was embarressing. Clueless. An AIB 3 side would have beaten France today.

Ireland are team trying not to lose rather than a side trying to win.

Rodders you said we would win!!!

You don't think you are over reacting just a wee bit there Rodders?

I am very disappointed that we didn't finish that but I don't really think Malone IIs would have quite made it?

MrsP wrote:

I'm so glad YOUR Tommy kept on running and put the ball down for his first try. I thought for one terrible moment he was going to stop playing since everyone else had!!!!

Yeah for a moment, he looked like he was going to stop, I wonder if he thought the ref had blown up or something because no one chased him.


Jebus, the Irish women beat Wales 36 - 0 and the Welsh captain got banned. Tsk! wimmin!

No Mrs P I don't. I thought it was terrible. To go from 17-6 up to barely get a draw in just not good enough. Both our tries were from individual skill and we didn't manufacture a single scoring opportunity in 80 minutes.

France didn't turn up in the first half but when they did we weren't at the races.

You only had the lend of him Cari!

What did your captain do to get banned?

Notch wrote:Absolutely disgusted. Absolutely disgusted with Ireland today. They were there for the taking in every respect. You will NEVER have a better chance to take France in Paris again. A complete and utter open goal.

So proud of everyone of those players for the effort and endeavour. Tactics, structures? We engineered 3 points off structured play all game. Simply not good enough.

The jury was out on Kidney until this game, now he must go. My main concern is that the magnificent effort from the players to hold France off will cover his back. Irish limitations exposed, championship gone- IRFU, we know what needs to happen now.

Hes not wrong you know. Not a bit of it. The chance was there at 6-17 and Kidney showed his true hand. Again. Defend it lads. Nuthin magical now.. Sheesh.

He's got to go.

It's weird how they are people on here who are supporters of Kidney and then people who think we can't put a foot right. It's crazy.

MrsP wrote:You only had the lend of him Cari!

What did your captain do to get banned?

Eh, what is it they say...possession is two thirds of the law or something...? Squatters rights..!

I don't know what she did they were saying on Scrum V - something she was cited for.

Thomond we did a lot right...defensively....... but you can't beat top teams without an attacking game plan and a strategy with the ball.

When your best attacking weapon is the Garryowen then things are not good.

This is like Jack Charletons Irish team. Top players being coached to play like average players.

Jack Charlton has shoite players. Your gameplan only gets you so far, why we changed our defence in the second half god only knows, that's what I would be concerned with, how Johnny didn't see that the defence was liable to the chip over the top god only knows. Our attack is a big issue, but why is Kidney being lumped with this? I'm not a fan of Kidney by any means, he is harming us but people are criticising him for the sake of it. Les Kiss is our attack coach, why is no one complaining about him?

Its not crazy T. He is defenceless as Irish coach now. The only ones backing him, are hardened Munster fans, who will always protect their own. Even against all logic and hard facts. That excuse must be fast-dying by now man.

This is our Country we are talking about here. It's the 21st Century. Rugby has changed. Deccie, I am afraid, is still stuck in the last. Nice man. But not up to it at this level. Its blatantly obvious to all outside Ireland too.

Specially Warren Gatland. And I think he's a gobshoite with a great team.

roddersm wrote:Thomond we did a lot right...defensively....... but you can't beat top teams without an attacking game plan and a strategy with the ball.

When your best attacking weapon is the Garryowen then things are not good.

This is like Jack Charletons Irish team. Top players being coached to play like average players.

Nail on head. We have some genuinely word class players on our ranks, you wouldn't think it to look at our international team.

We didn't change our defence, France got themselves together which they were always likely to do. We played into their hands because we kept kicking the ball to them.

The team plays with the philososphy of the manager who selects a team to perform a gameplan. The buck stops with Kidney not Kiss.

I think it's fair to say that there's nothing wrong with individual players. Ireland has some super players individually. You can see that watching the provincial sides. There's something wrong when the international team comes together...or not. Woody said after the match that the players still have the belief in themselves which I think they do. Maybe it is a coaching problem?

Yes we did, we competed at the breakdown, in the first half we hardly did. We needed to fan out and trust in our defence. In the first ten minutes of the second half we tried to go wide a few times and ended up coughing up the ball, are we capable of going wide? I do want rid of Kidney, but the players have to take some flak, people are blaming it all on the coaches while the players are getting preferential treatment.

Its definitely a coaching problem Cari. The players look like they've never seen each other before. They look clueless with the ball...they must just spend all week practicing defensive patterns.

Its just awful to watch, no one even supports the ball carrier at all...its just all slow, multiphase rubbish. We created nothing all game.

I thought Sexton was brilliant in defence today. He looked like BOD in that way. He was everywhere and he is so strong. Only problem being, WHY was he defending constantly in the 1st place?


His game-control suffered for it. And he should have wised-up and shifted emphasis. Sexton, must take that particular blame on-board and improve it v Scotland. He nails it all the time in the huge HC games. What's going on here?

Is he soft mentally, Gibbo? He missed a poor kick and while his territorial kicking was never great, he shipped one horribly wide. I don't know what it is, he looks international standard for Leinster but has never been consistantly brilliant for Ireland.

Sexton was far too deep and doesn't seem to trust Murray the way he does Reddan. When Reddan is there he runs onto the ball rather than dropping back and taking it from a standing start. Its a lack of cohesion.

O'Brien is the same, taking the ball at a standing start and getting nailed.

Sexton tried the Leinster loop with Earls to but Earls didn't give the pass. The players look like they've never met each other before.

Trimble too just looks lost out there.

He was knackered is why Thomond!

He did so much defending it must have taken the edge off his control, no?

I thought that Murry had a great game defensively but the difference in Irelands speed was clear to see when he went off.

I am still just sogobsmecked at the second half performance, that was one of the best chances Ireland have had at beating France in Paris and i feel that they let it slip. Sure the players made the mistakes but there was nothing i could see in the second half that resembled a game plan and to me, that blame rests on Deccies shoulders.

My Andy had a bad one today. Missed a few big tackles. One that caused their try. Really like the goy, but, his place is in jeopardy now. He was lost out there.

Dont think McFadden is the answer to replace him. Id bring either Zebo or D Kearney in. What to lose now Deccie? Lets have some good out of this 6-N. I dont give a feic about winning it or losing it. Just want us to grow and evolve some, for the last 2 games. Make a positive out of a negative and blood some new stuff.

Cant he see his tactics are not working? Cant he see he is holding this team back?

I know the answer.

Anyway. Its only a bleedin game. No one died.

Billy if we'd have come out with the right attitude..to keep the tempo fast and keep the ball we'd have hammered France. Seriously.

We just threw it away man..we didn't want the ball at all. You can't turn up with that negative and and defensive mindset man at this..or any level.

Its just so frustrating and depressing.

rodders, i seriously believe that Deccie sent them out with a plan of just closing up shop. That is the only reason i can think as to why Irelands intensity dropped off.

Gibbo what about Kearney man? Great arial skill but feck sake man not one counterattack from the back 3...that must be a strategy.

Trimble is just lost out there. Wasted. Theres not one back move to use him or Bowe.

I'd bring Dave Kearney in at 11 and Reddan at 9 but really I don't think personel is the issue but the game plan.

Kidney would coach the all blacks to kick the ball away and play with slow ball.

Kearney, is a Lion, Rodders. No one even near him now.

Id say he may be the cause of some unrest in the dressing room now. Not a man to mince his words. Words that need saying.

[quote="Gibson"]My Andy had a bad one today. Missed a few big tackles. One that caused their try. Really like the goy, but, his place is in jeopardy now. He was lost out there. [quote]

D'Arcy and Earls had more to do with their try than Trimble.

Rav,
That try originated from a Trimble missed-tackle. He missed loads. Actually, that's being kind. He was like a big-girls blouse out there today. Lost. And missed the whole game by just a second. He was out of sync.

I really like the guy and wanted him in. But, he's not showing enough for me now. Cruel, but true. Zebo or Kearney and not McFadden (he should be 12) - in on the wing Deccie.

cowpat.

One missed tackle on their 22 line was not the cause of their try. Utter nonsence. Trimble wasn't bad today, more anonymous. There is a difference. Can't believe people are advocating dropping him ahead of that, muppet D'Arcy.

For what it's worth:

1 SOB is a passenger for Ireland. A big bloke, but got knocked back an awful lot today. Far too similar to Ferris, who does everything he does, but better.
2 Kearney is the best player in the northern hemisphere. Does everything right. BOD can retire from international rugby, the king is dead, long live the king.
3 No clue in attack. Sorry, but none. Bowe scored his second as Earles drew two men out wide. For the rest of the match, 'running it' meant ending up in touch. If you rely on turnover ball to provide your threat ball in hand then 1-15 must know how to draw a man and give, straighten the line, offload, take and give in one movement and keep the ball alive.
4 France left you off the hook with the blinkered decision to go for the drop goal.
5 NOT A LOT NEEDS TO CHANGE BEFORE THIS TEAM CAN GET ANOTHER SLAM.

WillyGilly wrote:cowpat.

One missed tackle on their 22 line was not the cause of their try. Utter nonsence. Trimble wasn't bad today, more anonymous. There is a difference. Can't believe people are advocating dropping him ahead of that, muppet D'Arcy.

I doth challegeneth thou to a duel, young sir.

NonsenSe.

Don't know what you lot are having for dinner tonight, but here's my dinner:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Tommy+Bowe/France+v+Ireland+RBS+6+Nations/rm-LwYcyyIn

Typical blooming attitude from a typical Lein/Munster supporter!!!!

Always looking for some Ulsterman to blame!

I was expecting Best to take the flak for POC not being able to catch a perfectly thrown throw-in but deciding to overlook the repeated failings of Gordon Darcy to pick on an Ulsterman AGAIN is just too lazy.

I suppose the scrum improving when the front row changes were made was because of Reddan???????????

Same old same old same old nonsense!



How'sabout ya Gibbo?