606v2 Mock Draft

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Round #1 underway

#1.Panthers - Cam Newton QB Auburn
#2.Broncos - Marcel Dareus DT Alabama
#3.Bills - Nick Fairley DT Auburn
#4.Benglas. Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
#5.Cards Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
#6.Browns AJ Green WR Georgia
#7.49rs Patrick Peterson CB LSU
#8 Titans Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
#9 Cowboys Tyron Smith OT USC
#10 Skins JJ Watt DE Wisconsin
#11.Texans Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
#12 Vikings Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
#13 Lions Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
#14 Rams Julio Jones WR Alabama
#15 Dolphins Mike Pouncey G Florida
#16 Jaguars Ryan Kerrigan DE Perdue
#17 Patriots Cam Jordan DE Cal
#18 Chargers Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple
#19 Giants Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA
#20 Buccaneers Aldon Smith DE Missouri
#21.Chiefs Phil Taylor NT Baylor
#22.Colts Nate Solder OT Boston
#23 Eagles Jimmy Smith CB Miami
#24 Saints Cam Heyward DE Ohio
#25 Seahawks Jake Locker QB Washington
#26 Ravens Brandon Harris CB Miami
#27 Falcons Juston Houston DE Georgia
#28 Patriots Jeremy Beal DE/OLB Oklahoma
#29 Bears Gabe Carimi OT Winsconsin
#30 Jets Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
#31 Steelers Aaron Williams CB Texas
#32 Packers Brooks Reed DE/OLB Arizona

*****ROUND 2******

Round is underway as you can see Several teams have 2 picks in this round, so where those that did not get a 2nd pick in round #1 can have first call on a teams 2nd rounder, if the draft slows down and its not your 1st choice pick Pr4wn and myself will pick the BPA for that team to move it along, you will then get another team to pick later for e.g. the Ravens who were my 2nd pick or a Broncos/Chargers who have 2 picks.

#33 Patriots Mark Ingram RB Alabama
#34 Bills Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
#35 Bengals Leonard Hankerson WR Miami
#36 Broncos Corey Liuget DT Illinois
#37 Browns Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State
#38 Cards Danny Watkins OT Baylor
#39 Titans Austin DT North Carolina
#40 Cowboys Christian Ballard DE Iowa
#41 Skins Torrey Smith WR Maryland
#42 Texans Dontay Moch OLB Nevada
#43 Vikings Christian Ponder, QB Florida State
#44 Lions Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
#45 49rs Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
#46 Broncos Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina.
#47 Rams Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame
#48 Raiders Marcus Cannon OL TCU
#49 Jags Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada.
#50 Chargers Jonathan Baldwin WR
#51 Bucs Allen Bailey DE Florida
#52 Giants Stefan Wisniewski C Penn State
#53 Colts Jarvis Jenkins DL Clemson
#54 Eagles Orlando Franklin OL Miami
#55 chiefs Titus Young, WR, Boise State
#56 Saints Quarn Sturdivant LB North Carolina
#57 Seahawks Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
#58 Ravens Greg Little WR North Carolina
#59 Falcons Benjamin Ijalana OT/G Villanova
#60 Pats Tandon Doss WR Indiana
#61 Chargers Sam Acho OLB Texas
#62 Bears Terrell McClain DT South Florida
#63 Steelers Kendrick Ellis NT Hampton
#64 Packers

Pr4wn wrote:

Derbyblue wrote:

manning-to-manningham wrote:

It wasn't a WUM pick and I'm not a WUM. I was going to pick Mallett in the 2nd round if this got far enough. Aside from Peterson, Sheppard was LSU's best defensive player last season.

If you were going to take mallet in the second why didn't you choose gabbert in the first? Who is meant to be the most NFL ready quarterback in the draft.

Now this is certainly a matter of opinion. While I don't want to get involved in biccaring, Gabbert has come uot of a spread offense at Missouri, much the same as Cam Newton at Auburn. Mallett plays in a pro-style offense and so he will be more adept at reading coverages and blitzes. He will have to go through progressions and target multiple receivers instead of Gabbert and Newton who just look at one receiver and run if he's well covered.

Personally, I think that if he sorts his attitude out, Ryan Mallett is a great propect. He has the best arm of all the QBs in this year's class, he accurate and he's clever. If he can become a leader too, he'll be a decent NFL QB.

I know this is a matter of opinion, and I am happy to admit that I am not knowledgeable enough to come to a conclusion on my own, however from what I have read and heard he is the one most talent evaluators see as being the most NFL ready. This does confuse me a little as these same people who point out that Newton came from a spread offence seem more than happy to let Gabbert off this issue. From what I have heard though he has done a lot of practice in a pro style offence, and when he featured on game changers with Ponder he seems to have impressed Steve Mariucci with his work ethic and how far he has already developed. Obviously the ability to read defences will need to be developed in the off season, but if he puts the effort in to study game tape he can develop this by himself.

I wasn't trying to get involved in their bickering was quite interested to try and find out his reasons on risking Mallet still being there in the second round when Gabbert was available there and then.

Depends if we're doing trades.

Derbyblue wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

Derbyblue wrote:

manning-to-manningham wrote:

It wasn't a WUM pick and I'm not a WUM. I was going to pick Mallett in the 2nd round if this got far enough. Aside from Peterson, Sheppard was LSU's best defensive player last season.

If you were going to take mallet in the second why didn't you choose gabbert in the first? Who is meant to be the most NFL ready quarterback in the draft.

Now this is certainly a matter of opinion. While I don't want to get involved in biccaring, Gabbert has come uot of a spread offense at Missouri, much the same as Cam Newton at Auburn. Mallett plays in a pro-style offense and so he will be more adept at reading coverages and blitzes. He will have to go through progressions and target multiple receivers instead of Gabbert and Newton who just look at one receiver and run if he's well covered.

Personally, I think that if he sorts his attitude out, Ryan Mallett is a great propect. He has the best arm of all the QBs in this year's class, he accurate and he's clever. If he can become a leader too, he'll be a decent NFL QB.

I know this is a matter of opinion, and I am happy to admit that I am not knowledgeable enough to come to a conclusion on my own, however from what I have read and heard he is the one most talent evaluators see as being the most NFL ready. This does confuse me a little as these same people who point out that Newton came from a spread offence seem more than happy to let Gabbert off this issue. From what I have heard though he has done a lot of practice in a pro style offence, and when he featured on game changers with Ponder he seems to have impressed Steve Mariucci with his work ethic and how far he has already developed. Obviously the ability to read defences will need to be developed in the off season, but if he puts the effort in to study game tape he can develop this by himself.

I wasn't trying to get involved in their bickering was quite interested to try and find out his reasons on risking Mallet still being there in the second round when Gabbert was available there and then.

First taking Gabbert in the first is not silly, if he takes Sheppard in the first which he could easily get in the second, and Mallet most likely wont be available.

Also i hate how people say they dont like to get into bickering, it is not bickering, people can disagree and it is called a convisation, perhaps its a debate, and It is so silly that a poster wont talk with someone that they disagree with,

What is the point in these boards if it is not for us to disagree, and put our points across, maybe changing minds, most likely not but to have an avid discussion like grown up, rather than say you disagree lets not talk. That is absurd.

Basically:

Gabbert is a realistic 1st rounder. So is Cam Newton. Taking these players in round 1 is highly likely to happen.

Sheppard is realistically a 3rd-4th round selection at best. taking this player #4 is highly unlikely to happen.

Granted this is media and independent analysis, not the work NFL teams do, and while a pick like Alualu can happen (he was graded a 2nd rounder), we don't have access to this analysis, so we pretty much have to go from a media analysis base.

While I have no issues with making a surprise selection, at the very least keep an element of realism. Sheppard won't be a top 4 pick, and even if a team does evaluate his talent as that high they will trade down or pick him with a lower choice.

saavy?

I 100% agree i just take issue with any poster mistaking a debate, or disagreement, which should lead to more discussion, as bickering. If this site is to have any credibility people have to disagree and make their point in an articulate way, like you have just done.

But don't atlk about that GSC, as Manning doesnt like it, its just fun, and using knowledge or seeing if we can guess correctly is just silly talk. LSU have all of their 2 starting O and D in the first rounf despite not all of them declaring.

On a serious note, we will disagree, if you take it personally you have issues from you child hood.

AdZacO wrote:
First taking Gabbert in the first is not silly, if he takes Sheppard in the first which he could easily get in the second, and Mallet most likely wont be available.

Also i hate how people say they dont like to get into bickering, it is not bickering, people can disagree and it is called a convisation, perhaps its a debate, and It is so silly that a poster such as yourself Prawn won talk with someone you disagree with,

What is the point in these boards if it is not for us to disagree, and put our points across, maybe changing minds, most likely not but to have an avid discussion like grown up, rather than say you disagree lets not talk. That is absurd.

I was trying to avoid the talk about Sheppard as I know nothing about him, except it was a poor choice in the first round. I chose the word bickering as this is what Pr4wn called it, which although you will have to ask him, I assume is because it in my view got past the point of debating to you pretty much telling him repeatedly it was a poor pick and him trying to justify himself. I am aware that Gabbert in the first was not silly in comparison to Sheppard, and then he planned to get Mallet in the second, this is why I was hoping to find out his reasons for these picks instead of just taking Gabbert or Mallet if he rates him higher in the first.

Derbyblue wrote:

AdZacO wrote:
First taking Gabbert in the first is not silly, if he takes Sheppard in the first which he could easily get in the second, and Mallet most likely wont be available.

Also i hate how people say they dont like to get into bickering, it is not bickering, people can disagree and it is called a convisation, perhaps its a debate, and It is so silly that a poster such as yourself Prawn won talk with someone you disagree with,

What is the point in these boards if it is not for us to disagree, and put our points across, maybe changing minds, most likely not but to have an avid discussion like grown up, rather than say you disagree lets not talk. That is absurd.

I was trying to avoid the talk about Sheppard as I know nothing about him, except it was a poor choice in the first round. I chose the word bickering as this is what Pr4wn called it, which although you will have to ask him, I assume is because it in my view got past the point of debating to you pretty much telling him repeatedly it was a poor pick and him trying to justify himself. I am aware that Gabbert in the first was not silly in comparison to Sheppard, and then he planned to get Mallet in the second, this is why I was hoping to find out his reasons for these picks instead of just taking Gabbert or Mallet if he rates him higher in the first.

Excellent answer. WEll i only kept saying as i wanted to know if he thought it was silly and therefore a WUM, which he denied. Or it was because he was an LSU fan which he denied. So i wanted to know his reason.

So we both Asked from wanteing to know the reason, its just he denied obvious WUMery, or bias. I'm not sure which.

Maybe prawn didnt want a silly fight, but if it was banter, then urely he could of given LSU banter, rather than say, its my pick, its no big deal, leave me alone. Banter would of been good, a reason would of been good.

Most of the banter I'm involved with would be construed as serious hate based on what bickering is here

Gabbert will go in the 1st round no doubt, too many team need a QB I can see some one like the Colts picking him up if there they need to replace Manning and Gabbert is good enough, then there is the Vikings at 12

The Pats (Through Raiders) are on the clock might goto auto pick

Good idea. Glasgowhibs logged in today but didn't respond so I'd suggest that AquaArab takes this pick, then has the Pats for round two if we get there.

Given we have 2 Pats GMs theres no need to rush

Btw are we doing trades?

Allow them both to take this pick and if its not been picked in a couple of days then auto pick it?

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Btw are we doing trades?

It's probably too late to start doing trades, and we can't guarantee we will get past the first round.

No trades, things will become far too complicated. Also, people would just trade late round picks in order to move up

I say let AquaArab have both the Pats picks just to keep things moving. He can keep the Pats for Round 2 and glagowhibs can take the Raiders.

Definitely no trades, it would further delay my pick of the future NY Giants Superstar.

I imagine at this point the Pats must be looking at Aldon Smith. Followed by Cameron Jordan

I'd say the other way round. Take Jordan now before the Chargers take him. Belichick doesn't really use high picks on pass-rushers and Jordan looks to be a blue-chip talent.

Pass rusher is also a far greater need, and impact player, and Aldon Smith is excellent value at 17. Theres also going to be a few more good 3-4 DE/4-3 DTs at 28 as opposed to quality pass rushers.

Pr4wn wrote:Good idea. Glasgowhibs logged in today but didn't respond so I'd suggest that AquaArab takes this pick, then has the Pats for round two if we get there.

I'll pick for the pats if you want but it'll be nearer 7 when everybody else has left the office. If you don't mind waiting a bit longer

I'm not bothered either way.

I think the Pats need a lineman more, they are feeling the loss of Seymour so a top DE is a must to line up with Wilfork. Bills finds LB in later rounds

I don't know Leeds, all the quality OL have been taken and there's still quite a few good DE, DT for the Pats. I think I heard one real NFL GM say say this about drafting, "sometimes, when the opportunity arrives, you have to pick the talent above the needs of the team." I think it might apply if most of the top OL are already taken.

Leedscowboys wrote:I think the Pats need a lineman more, they are feeling the loss of Seymour so a top DE is a must to line up with Wilfork. Bills finds LB in later rounds

In this mock we are down Tyron Smith and Anthony Costanzo.
The Pats with their "proper" first round pick would likely have a shot at one of Nate Solder, Gabe Carimi or Dereck Sherrod. By that point they won't have a shot at either Cam Jordan or Aldon Smith, so I think the pass rusher makes sense

Of course in the real world Bill will never pick at his alloted spot!

Wilkerson and Liuget might well be there at 28 given how this mock has gone. The only other pass rusher who might be around after Smith would be Houston.

With the 17th pick the New England Patriots select: Cameron Jordan DE

And with that SimonHUFC, and the San Diego Chargers are on the clock.

Cameron Jordan seems to be better rated as a DE than Aldon Smith does as an OLB, so a fair pick. Read analysis today that said Smith could be better off bulking up and becoming a 4-3 DE. Any opinions? I know very little about him

For me hes the 3rd best pass rusher in the draft behind Bowers and Quinn.

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:For me hes the 3rd best pass rusher in the draft behind Bowers and Quinn.

So if you take Bowers' injury concerns into account how do you think these three will be ranked on teams draft boards?

Bowers won't be high on 3-4 boards, and Smith might drop a bit on 4-3 boards. At this point, Quinn's probably going first, and to a top 10 team, Bowers and Smith probably in the 10-20 range.

Not counting Von Miller in the top 3? Miller and Quinn are 1a and 1b on my board (if I had one)

Cameron Jordan has the pedigree, consistency and build to be a top 3-4 DE in the NFL. Obviously there are no guarantees, though.

I won't be on here tomorrow so please let this thread take care of itself.

I don't want to hold things up, though, so who is going to be on so I can PM my choices for the Bucs to them?

I will be on Pr4wn so feel free to PM me

Ditto, i'll be around most of the day seeing how things go along...

also the first post needs updating

With the 18th pick of the draft, the Chargers select Muhammad Wilkerson DE

simonhufc wrote:With the 18th pick of the draft, the Chargers select Muhammad Wilkerson DE

I thought he was a DT not DE?

I won't be up before 2 I imagine, but feel free.

The Giants are now on the clock.

3-4 DE and 4-3 DT are fairly similar.

Muh Wilkerson can play both DT/DE

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:3-4 DE and 4-3 DT are fairly similar.

sort of closer to the UT than the NT they usually play the 5 technique, where as 4-3 DT will play the 3 technique

Cheers for the help guys.

NY Giants choose Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri.

I will wake up my Mrs in excitement if this actually happens.

Pr4wn wrote:Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri.

I will wake up my Mrs in excitement if this actually happens.

So do you think he is going to be a better as a 4-3 DE? A lot of reports say he will be a better 3-4 OLB. As I said earlier I know very little about him so just interested

And Pouncey gets left on the board by the Giants! Was expecting him to go there but Ayers is seen as a top 15 talent and fills a need so good pick.

Grizzly and the Chiefs are now on the clock

Pouncey got taken by Miami at 15.

I'm not sure if Grizz have left yet but he's going to Aus soon and he's left be with who he wants to choose, I just don't want to steal his thunder!

I'll wait a while.

Was Ingram in the running for the Giants pick uberfunction?

Must have missed the Dolphins pick completely didn't check

simonhufc wrote:Was Ingram in the running for the Giants pick uberfunction?

I know they (The Giants) are interested in him but some sources are saying he wasn't worth a first round pick for them unless Ayers, Castonzo, Pouncey or Tyron Smith was taken already.

But it would be interesting if Ingram did go to the Giants. His father played many seasons (and a Superbowl) for the G-men. Sadly, I believe he is in prison now.