England v SA - KO 14:30 Sat 24th NOV at HQ - Match Thread/Build Up etc....

by HERSH Thu 15 Nov 2012, 12:04 pm

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Feel free to discuss this game and any other aspect involving the England Rugby team good or bad as your opinions count and you won't be judged (by me) if you go against England, but do try to give a reason!

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Game 1: Eng v Fiji 54-12 World class performance.
Game 2: Eng v Aus 14-20 We was robbed, by ourselves.
Game 3: Eng v SA ??-??
Game 4: Eng v NZ ??-??

England team to face South Africa:

Alex Goode (Saracens, 4 caps);
Chris Ashton (Saracens, 27 caps),
Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 15 caps),
Brad Barritt (Saracens, 9 caps),
Mike Brown (Harlequins, 9 caps);
Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers, 52 caps),
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 26 caps);
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish, 16 caps),
Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps),
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 33 caps),
Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 2 caps),
Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps),
Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 11 caps),
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 10 caps),
Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 7 caps).

Replacements: David Paice (London Irish, 4 caps), David Wilson (Bath Rugby, 21 caps), Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 2 caps), Mouritz Botha (Saracens, 9 caps), James Haskell (London Wasps, 43 caps), Danny Care (Harlequins, 35 caps), Owen Farrell (Saracens, 10 caps), Jonathan Joseph (London Irish, 3 caps).

South Africa team:
Z Kirchner (Blue Bulls);
JP Pietersen (Sharks),
J de Jongh (Western Province),
J de Villiers (Western Province, captain),
F Hougaard (Blue Bulls);
P Lambie (Sharks),
R Pienaar (Ulster);
G Steenkamp (Toulouse),
A Strauss (Cheetahs),
J du Plessis (Sharks),
E Etzebeth (Western Province),
J Kruger (Blue Bulls),
F Louw (Bath),
W Alberts (Sharks),
D Vermeulen (Western Province).

Replacements: S Brits (Saracens), H van der Merwe (Leinster), P Cilliers (Western Province), F van der Merwe (Blue Bulls), M Coetzee (Sharks), E Jantjies (Golden Lions), J Taute (Golden Lions), L Mvovo (Sharks).

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:46 pm

Look like Youngs the elder got a couple in then

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:47 pm

Fitzgibbon completely wrong looking at the replay. elizabreth (sp) kicked the ball away then the england player started on him

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:47 pm

YEAH I HERE ya tattered.. ahh well we deserve abit of luck me thinks

by Morgannwg Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:48 pm

Who touched down for SA? Behind you England boys today by the way, believe it or not.

by BamBam Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:49 pm

Good to see Tom Youngs and Launchbury not letting Etzebeth have his own way, I remember him giving it the big man in the summer and no one bothered to front up to him then

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:49 pm

Oh Youngs.......created the go forward then knocks on............

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:50 pm

Bring on care please!

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:50 pm

mystiroakey wrote:YEAH I HERE ya tattered.. ahh well we deserve abit of luck me thinks

agreed mysti. welsh boy in peace here Hug

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:50 pm

After Manu's break we had quick ish ball but Farrell wasn't anywhere near it

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:52 pm

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:53 pm

end to end stuff!!

by wales606 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:53 pm

Poor play from England there - they should have scored, awful pass from Ashton and early pass from Tuilagi

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:53 pm

phew! and......................relax

by whocares Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:54 pm

Ashton

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:58 pm

Owen Farrell. Not remotely international level.

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:58 pm

English lineout their downfall today

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 3:59 pm

tatterd wrote:English lineout their downfall today

And the rest.

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:00 pm

come on england!!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:00 pm

Disgraceful commentry for Sky there

Thats not straight and its a problem thats not gone away for england all game

Look I know Owens been against us but theres no need for the homophobia Mr Barnes

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:02 pm

no no not posts!!!!

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:03 pm

WHY!!!!!

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:05 pm

Goode no good

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:08 pm

great defense england- bang!!!!!!!!!!!!11

by Geordie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:10 pm

Tom youngs has been excellent but by god he needs to work on his throws it's criminal.

And if Farrell is.in the esp I'll be depressed....

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:11 pm

Is there any reason why we haven't done a shortened line out with the rest of the forwards out wide

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:12 pm

Time for Joseph now ?

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:14 pm

knock on knock on knock on knock on!

much better second half though

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:16 pm

Mo with his Mo

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:17 pm

morgan you legend"!

by whocares Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:24 pm

WTF??

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:24 pm

Robshaw why?

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:24 pm

robshaw - wrong decision?

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

botha why?

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

I won't swear!

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

Awful decision making. Terrible.

by BamBam Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

Oh Botha you idiot!!!

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:26 pm

You really cannot be captain of the England team and make those sort of mistakes two week's running

by Breadvan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:26 pm

Strange not to go for the corner but I doubt we would of scored anyhoo... Rolling Eyes

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

Oh no! Mimicking Wales even down to the plucky loser tag! Aaaagggggh

by Ifandorbut Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

That was close but Robshaw?

by whocares Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

to be honest that was a great kick from lambie in the restart but weird call from Robshaw...

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

Bloody Robshaw, wasrted a minute arguing to do the wrong thing...again. What on Earth was he thinking

by mystiroakey Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

ridiculas.

well at least we played better- however we didnt come back and do enough

by Geordie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

Sadly two games and Robshaws captaincy in question.

Morgan excellent. A few others aswell but too many mistakes....

In all honesty we're not far away from them....but at the same time a million miles

by Barney McGrew did it Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:27 pm

There is absolutely no evidence of a gameplan in attack.

T Youngs is simply not test quality given he’s got just 1 job he absolutely has to nail.

Our SR is beginning to look decent.

Both Ashton & B Youngs need to get some form at their clubs.

Flood doesn’t like being roughed up.

Morgan’s improving.

Robshaw is not a good tactical captain.

When fit Croft in at 6, Wood to 7, Morgan/Haskell at 8.

Pretty sure you need to be able to catch and hold the ball to play rugby.

We must lobby the IRB to prevent God getting involved in future test games.

SL absolutely has to get a proven world class attack coach.

There is absolutely no evidence of a gameplan in attack.

by Hood83 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

Beyond angry. Abject performance and a TERRIBLE decision by Robshaw. Just brainless.

by BristolDave Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

I hope we don't go on about their lucky try - we lost pure and simple and we didn't put much together. Lots of effort but that is not enough

by tatterd Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:29 pm

Does this do owt to the rankings?

by Morgannwg Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:30 pm

The commentators seemed to go on about the 'lucky try' and also go on about how young the England team is (again).

by Geordie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 4:30 pm

Barney it's a shame about youngs lineout...it's critical cause the rest of.his game was excellent today...him and Morgan were the main carriers...really taking.it on.

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