This is why we love Wayne Barnes.

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Review of Wayne Barnes v Ireland 2015:

https://youtu.be/IEuXfewLcuY

Ireland lose again with Barnes as ref. Its getting ridiculous now. 3 wins in the last 13 games v Barnes. Really hope we don't get him for any WC games.

Joe Schmidt also has issues with Barnes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/joe-schmidt-has-issues-with-wayne-barnes-over-scrum-calls-1.2145742

Graham Henry also suspects something isnt quite right about Barnes' lopsided officiating too

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/07/31/graham-henrys-final-word-on-suspected-match-fixing-in-rwc-2007/

Sin é wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

Griff wrote:F*ck me, this site's gone to the dogs.  What a rapid decline!

To be fair, you can't have come on this thread and anticipated there to be worthwhile discussion. It has been apparent from the final whistle on Sat, that some are only interested in Wayne Barnes bashing instead of looking at the real issue of how their team were initially caught like rabbits in headlights (momentum lost with the Samson Lee injury break) and how they were so blunt despite countless phases and glaringly obvious overlaps. Even Jiffy tried telling them it was on etc.

In fairness, most of us know that Barnes is a terrible ref. How Rolland could have been run out of the game for making the correct call and Barnes get away with being totally incompetent is mind boggling.

The Irish management have requested an explaination of Barnes' refereeing from Joel Jutge of World Rugby and in particular how he awarded the final scrum penalty for Wales which they were unable to figure out (according to Simon Easterby, Ireland's forwards coach).

Didn't that particular call come from the line judge? Barnes seemed to indicate far side if I remember rightly.

No matter who made the call, it cost Ireland and Barnes is the one in charge. The Irish management still don't know why it was made.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/irish-news/schmidt-waiting-for-response-on-ref-report-31075382.html

Perhaps they should phone you and Guns.

LondonTiger wrote:Perhaps they should phone you and Guns.

You mean Guns and I should have a word with Barnes and explain the laws to him?

No. You have both indicated exactly why Barnes did what he did. Repeatedly.

Yup, it's just coming across as shocking bias, arrogance and not being able to separate your prejudice from a good reffing display.

I think we just have to accept Barnes is a dire ref and if we get him for any WC games we need about a 12-15 points buffer to win. That is unfortunately the reality for Ireland now and what we need to work towards.

I am now glad that people outside of the Pro12 are now seeing what us Welsh on here have been putting up with for quite a while, the double standards by some of the Irish posters on here is just hilarious, it is almost mafia like, with the way the Irish band together and run you out of town the minute you mention the Pro12 being geared up to support the Irish sides, now we are seeing a ref who by his standards had a very good game on Saturday being ripped apart by bitter Irish supporters who arrogantly thought that the grand slam was thiers before a ball had been kicked. Perhaps they might want to look at the fact that some of their players are not the demigods they were starting to believe they were.

If the refs were not so biased/poor in the Pro12 then the Irish players would not feel they could do as and what they liked in the scrums and at the breakdown every time they took the field. As soon as a neutral ref took charge of them they were reffed correctly, well done Wayne Barnes, you might not a good ref, but you are a decent one and actually reffed the Irish at the breakdown for a change.

Like I said Guns I hope you're wumming.

I am not sure Barnes had a particularly good game. He was not helped by players seeking to infringe every other second. I am 100% certain that there was no bias in his decision making.

It is ironic that those who accuse refs (be they Barnes or Pro12 refs of whatever hue) of institutionalised bias when decisions go against their teams - are the first to defend a ref when decisions go for their team.

Come on now. They never criticise referees, never ever boo kickers and always criticise one of the provinces' players for foul play <swarm><dogwithabone>

LordDowlais wrote:I am now glad that people outside of the Pro12 are now seeing what us Welsh on here have been putting up with for quite a while, the double standards by some of the Irish posters on here is just hilarious, it is almost mafia like, with the way the Irish band together and run you out of town the minute you mention the Pro12 being geared up to support the Irish sides, now we are seeing a ref who by his standards had a very good game on Saturday being ripped apart by bitter Irish supporters who arrogantly thought that the grand slam was thiers before a ball had been kicked. Perhaps they might want to look at the fact that some of their players are not the demigods they were starting to believe they were.

If the refs were not so biased/poor in the Pro12 then the Irish players would not feel they could do as and what they liked in the scrums and at the breakdown every time they took the field. As soon as a neutral ref took charge of them they were reffed correctly, well done Wayne Barnes, you might not a good ref, but you are a decent one and actually reffed the Irish at the breakdown for a change.

So you think Barnes 'might not be a good ref then'? What makes you think that?

No 7&1/2 wrote:Like I said Guns I hope you're wumming.

I know you are wumming.

LordDowlais wrote:well done Wayne Barnes, you might not a good ref, but you are a decent one and actually reffed the Irish at the breakdown for a change.

He gave himself ample time to when he stopped reffing the other side entirely.

LondonTiger wrote:I am not sure Barnes had a particularly good game. He was not helped by players seeking to infringe every other second. I am 100% certain that there was no bias in his decision making.

It is ironic that those who accuse refs (be they Barnes or Pro12 refs of whatever hue) of institutionalised bias when decisions go against their teams - are the first to defend a ref when decisions go for their team.

Any examples of Irish posters here doing this?

And if you are not sure Barnes had a 'particularly good game', why are you defending him?

Sin é wrote:So you think Barnes 'might not be a good ref then'? What makes you think that?.

I think he is similar to Steve Walsh, in that he has trouble keeping his ego in touch. Otherwise he does seem to have a knack of reffing the ruck situation. Why do you think he is rubbish ?

LondonTiger wrote:I am not sure Barnes had a particularly good game. He was not helped by players seeking to infringe every other second. I am 100% certain that there was no bias in his decision making.

It is ironic that those who accuse refs (be they Barnes or Pro12 refs of whatever hue) of institutionalised bias when decisions go against their teams - are the first to defend a ref when decisions go for their team.

How do you explain the unbelievably dire record Ireland have with Barnes as ref? Surely that makes a mockery of the whole refereeing system when such blatant anomalies occur. Its something like 3 wins in the last 13 Barnes reffed games. Way way below Irelands win/loss average.

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Like I said Guns I hope you're wumming.

I know you are wumming.

That's confirmed it. I would much prefer to put you in the list of wums than the other list

Risca Rev wrote:Come on now. They never criticise referees, never ever boo kickers and always criticise one of the provinces' players for foul play <swarm><dogwithabone>

POINT OUT every single occasion when an Irish fan ever criticised referees, booing kickers, or engaged in covering up for cheating Provincial players!!!!!!! Give me the evidence REV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every blasted post!


That should keep that lad busy for a month compiling his dossier and keep him out of this here debate in the meantime. Far too many Welsh lads being let in to this Wum. They're spoiling the groove.

LordDowlais wrote:

Sin é wrote:So you think Barnes 'might not be a good ref then'? What makes you think that?.

I think he is similar to Steve Walsh, in that he has trouble keeping his ego in touch. Otherwise he does seem to have a knack of reffing the ruck situation. Why do you think he is rubbish ?

And how does this 'keeping his ego in touch' affect the games he refs or is it just annoying?

I think he lacks consistency in how he refs and he is a homer.

GunsGerms wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:I am not sure Barnes had a particularly good game. He was not helped by players seeking to infringe every other second. I am 100% certain that there was no bias in his decision making.

It is ironic that those who accuse refs (be they Barnes or Pro12 refs of whatever hue) of institutionalised bias when decisions go against their teams - are the first to defend a ref when decisions go for their team.

How do you explain the unbelievably dire record Ireland have with Barnes as ref? Surely that makes a mockery of the whole refereeing system when such blatant anomalies occur. Its something like 3 wins in the last 13 Barnes reffed games. Way way below Irelands win/loss average.

Well the vast majority will be because you weren't good enough to beat the opposition like Saturday. Nowt to do with the ref if you're outplayed.

Barnes went to school in Wales, no wonder Wales won!

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Well the vast majority will be because you weren't good enough to beat the opposition like Saturday. Nowt to do with the ref if you're outplayed.

So you dont find it any way unusual that in the last few years the majority of Ireland's losses have come when Barnes has reffed the game many of these games including very contentious refereeing decisions?

When blatant anomolies such as Irelands dire record when Barnes refs and his history of not reffing Ireland's opposition in the same manner that he appears to ref Ireland it is perfectly legitimate or even logical to question such anomolies and/or biases.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

Well McAlister DID have a drop from near halfway because Barnes hadn't called advantage over...

He's the only ref who knows Ireland can't play real rugby and he wishes his comrades would get the message too.

GunsGerms wrote:How do you explain the unbelievably dire record Ireland have with Barnes as ref? Surely that makes a mockery of the whole refereeing system when such blatant anomalies occur. Its something like 3 wins in the last 13 Barnes reffed games. Way way below Irelands win/loss average..

He refs the breakdown and scrums correctly, that's why, he might miss forward passes and high tackles, he might miss knock ons, and he might let his ego get the better of him, but his reffing strengths are where the Irish players push the boundaries the most or cheat for a simpler word.

The Irish provinces and the national side in turn all target the ruck and how they can slow opposition ball down, it is no secret, I see it every week in the Pro12, when a ref who is a stickler for penalising this is in charge the Irish WILL struggle, and that is the bare bones of it, I get my knickers in a twist every week because of what I see unfolding in front of my eyes, perhaps if we had stronger refs in the Pro12 the Irish players would not go into every game thinking they had carte blanch at every ruck and maul. The last ref I saw have a go at that area in the Pro12 was Mitrea, in the Scarlets V Connacht game, and subsequently the Connacht captain was yellow carded, and perhaps should have been red for the way he spoke to him, but that was born out of frustration because his side were not allowed to do as they pleased at the rucks and mauls.

Contentious decisions. Not really. You can pick out loads every game. You were very vocal about him not sending Pape off yet you seem to be ignoring the knee from your own player in this match. Know you don't really believe it though, no one could!

No 7&1/2 wrote:Contentious decisions. Not really. You can pick out loads every game. You were very vocal about him not sending Pape off yet you seem to be ignoring the knee from your own player in this match. Know you don't really believe it though, no one could!

I heard a lot of smirks that Heaslip needed an Oscar for his performance? Poor Pape Pinged by Pi-ss Taker Heaslip and his merry Plodders! That's some of the 'Red Top' Headlines I heard after that game.

I thought he was putting it on at the time to be fair. Not sure I commented either way on it. Similar situations so i suppose you could say it was a Barnes mistake not to let the Irish 12 take an early bath.

There you go, you thought he was putting it on at the time. Some might say his then absence for the English game proved Pape hit hard and muffled our chances to make a bigger tally on the scoreboard - and that his then inclusion in the Welsh game (before really ready) had a hand in creating the tensions of this week and the coming weekend.

Pape had a big 'impact' on this season for sure

This thread is gas!

When not on the pitch or working with the England team, Barnes is a practising barrister at Fulcrum Chambers in London.

And Barnes went to school in Wales (Monmouth School).

I rest my case. It would be impossible to be impartial bearing in mind the above.

Wow, no wonder you lost against New Zealand. The only reason they stood a chance was your head coach deliberately throwing the game!

asoreleftshoulder wrote:This thread is gas!

Methane

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wow, no wonder you lost against New Zealand. The only reason they stood a chance was your head coach deliberately throwing the game!

I'm intrigued as to how a coach could throw a game?

He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

This Thread Contributes to Global Warming?

I wouldn't exactly claim such fame for it, Tiger - but it has more than two legs, I will say that much.

It's all Bullschmidt of course - but it is collecting a lot of flies who claim no interest but who keep coming back for a nibble.

Sin é wrote:

When not on the pitch or working with the England team, Barnes is a practising barrister at Fulcrum Chambers in London.

And Barnes went to school in Wales (Monmouth School).

I rest my case. It would be impossible to be impartial bearing in mind the above.

That's really clutching at straws calling Monmouth, Wales. Especially that school. They're full of the alright butt crowd up there like.

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

He ain't alone. But we're getting comfortable when we look around us and everywhere we look we see a middle raised finger Better to be hated than ignored.

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

That's different, Sin. That's a tactic. He uses that build up of yearly pressure to win.

Risca Rev wrote:

Sin é wrote:

When not on the pitch or working with the England team, Barnes is a practising barrister at Fulcrum Chambers in London.

And Barnes went to school in Wales (Monmouth School).

I rest my case. It would be impossible to be impartial bearing in mind the above.

That's really clutching at straws calling Monmouth, Wales. Especially that school. They're full of the alright butt crowd up there like.

So that's where Eddie Butler got his love of poetry?

SecretFly wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

He ain't alone.  But we're getting comfortable when we look around us and everywhere we look we see a middle raised finger  Better to be hated than ignored.

Nobody hates the Irish surely; apart form Wayne Barnes who was once violently ill on Guinness and has sworn eternal revenge?

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

That's right, Schmidt just wants to make sure you never win against his team.

I doubt Barnes hates Ireland but he just clearly prefers England and Wales. I think we can all agree he isnt suitable to ref high profile games.

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

Gats gave you Brian O'Driscoll! Your best player ever, according to most. That has to be a sign of love, not hate. Surely.

Griff wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

Gats gave you Brian O'Driscoll!  Your best player ever, according to most.  That has to be a sign of love, not hate.  Surely.

He used to love us, until we dumped him. There is a very fine line between love and hate.

Griff wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

Gats gave you Brian O'Driscoll!  Your best player ever, according to most.  That has to be a sign of love, not hate.  Surely.

Gatland is O'Driscoll's dad?

Who do you want Schmidt replaced with then Guns. He's guaranteeing you'll never reach the pinacle of the game. You guys can't be happy with that. Isn't he already developing NZ lads to take over from the Irish born and bread? Seems a clear strategy to make you the NZ B team!

GunsGerms wrote:

Griff wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He gave you the wrong tactics, had you all tired out by the end. You didn't stand a chance. it was there for all to see. He's only there to benefit the All Blacks, he hates you lot.

Its Gats that hates us lot!

Gats gave you Brian O'Driscoll!  Your best player ever, according to most.  That has to be a sign of love, not hate.  Surely.

Gatland is O'Driscoll's dad?

More his mother, in that BOD was born into the international rugby world from Gatland's nurturing womb. In other words, he gave him his first cap. And Gatlandball was born!