This is why we love Wayne Barnes.

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Review of Wayne Barnes v Ireland 2015:

https://youtu.be/IEuXfewLcuY

Ireland lose again with Barnes as ref. Its getting ridiculous now. 3 wins in the last 13 games v Barnes. Really hope we don't get him for any WC games.

Joe Schmidt also has issues with Barnes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/joe-schmidt-has-issues-with-wayne-barnes-over-scrum-calls-1.2145742

Graham Henry also suspects something isnt quite right about Barnes' lopsided officiating too

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/07/31/graham-henrys-final-word-on-suspected-match-fixing-in-rwc-2007/

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I dont get it with this biting thing. Why bother saying something if you dont believe it? Its a forum for debate so people reply no matter. All it ll end up doing will make the site quieter as people wont be bothered.

Its something people say when they dont have an opinion or cant think of anything better to contribute.

fly is a good poster at least he has humour.

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

beshocked wrote: Imagine the uproar if this was a Welshman or Englishman complaining about the ref!

It's okay for the Irish to moan at the ref though!

Never hear complaints about the ref when Ireland win though do you?

I think you do hear comments such as 'the ref was awful' when we do win as well - usually in that situation he has been awful to both teams. You can tolerate that - its when the refing is one sided it is a serious problem.

The problem is (with the Welsh anyway) is that every time Ireland win, its because the ref favoured them.  

Munster lost v. Ospreys a few weeks ago. The ref awarded 13 penalties against Munster and 6 against the Ospreys. There were no complaints about the referee from me.

No of course you didn't complain as it was a MUNSTERMAN, who reffed the game, Ospreys supporters did when he patently got a YELLOW CARD WRONG, and you were totally outplayed, you would have looked even more ridiculous than you do at the minute if you had.

I think you should check who the ref was before making such claims. Not alone was he not from Munster, he wasn't Irish.

Match Officials (from PRO12 website)

At Liberty Stadium, 2.40pm. Live on Sky Sports
Referee: Marius Mitrea (FIR, 37th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Simon Rees (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Ray Wilton (WRU)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)
Read more at http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/16816.php#scE0dmXpAUWP1bMZ.99

Sin é wrote:

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

beshocked wrote: Imagine the uproar if this was a Welshman or Englishman complaining about the ref!

It's okay for the Irish to moan at the ref though!

Never hear complaints about the ref when Ireland win though do you?

I think you do hear comments such as 'the ref was awful' when we do win as well - usually in that situation he has been awful to both teams. You can tolerate that - its when the refing is one sided it is a serious problem.

The problem is (with the Welsh anyway) is that every time Ireland win, its because the ref favoured them.  

Munster lost v. Ospreys a few weeks ago. The ref awarded 13 penalties against Munster and 6 against the Ospreys. There were no complaints about the referee from me.

No of course you didn't complain as it was a MUNSTERMAN, who reffed the game, Ospreys supporters did when he patently got a YELLOW CARD WRONG, and you were totally outplayed, you would have looked even more ridiculous than you do at the minute if you had.

I think you should check who the ref was before making such claims. Not alone was he not from Munster, he wasn't Irish.

Match Officials (from PRO12 website)

At Liberty Stadium, 2.40pm. Live on Sky Sports
Referee: Marius Mitrea (FIR, 37th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Simon Rees (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Ray Wilton (WRU)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)
Read more at http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/16816.php#scE0dmXpAUWP1bMZ.99

Yes SORRY you are right it was the previous match when an Irish ref got the yellow card wrong against us, against another Irish Province.

There's Wayne himself now!!!

So what do you think of the thread Wayne. I hope you realise it was just...em...constructive criticism....... and no hard feelings, like?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I dont get it with this biting thing. Why bother saying something if you dont believe it? Its a forum for debate so people reply no matter. All it ll end up doing will make the site quieter as people wont be bothered.

Its something people say when they dont have an opinion or cant think of anything better to contribute.

fly is a good poster at least he has humour.

It wasnt him that said it??? Re Fly I havent a bog what he is on about half the time.

Ah Marius O'Mitrea. He's a known Irish sympathiser. Though it's generally the ladyboys he'll give iffy decisions too, when Dragons play them.

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

beshocked wrote: Imagine the uproar if this was a Welshman or Englishman complaining about the ref!

It's okay for the Irish to moan at the ref though!

Never hear complaints about the ref when Ireland win though do you?

I think you do hear comments such as 'the ref was awful' when we do win as well - usually in that situation he has been awful to both teams. You can tolerate that - its when the refing is one sided it is a serious problem.

The problem is (with the Welsh anyway) is that every time Ireland win, its because the ref favoured them.  

Munster lost v. Ospreys a few weeks ago. The ref awarded 13 penalties against Munster and 6 against the Ospreys. There were no complaints about the referee from me.

No of course you didn't complain as it was a MUNSTERMAN, who reffed the game, Ospreys supporters did when he patently got a YELLOW CARD WRONG, and you were totally outplayed, you would have looked even more ridiculous than you do at the minute if you had.

I think you should check who the ref was before making such claims. Not alone was he not from Munster, he wasn't Irish.

Match Officials (from PRO12 website)

At Liberty Stadium, 2.40pm. Live on Sky Sports
Referee: Marius Mitrea (FIR, 37th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Simon Rees (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Ray Wilton (WRU)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)
Read more at http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/16816.php#scE0dmXpAUWP1bMZ.99

Yes SORRY you are right it was the previous match when an Irish ref got the yellow card wrong against us, against another Irish Province.

v Leinster then. John Lacey was the ref and there were plenty of Welsh assistants to put him right if he was wrong.

At Liberty Stadium, 7.35pm. Live on BBC Wales/TG4
Referee: John Lacey (IRFU, 42nd competition game)
Assistant Referees: Craig Evans, Chris Williams (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Gwyn Bowden (WRU)
TMO: Derek Bevan (WRU)

Anyway, my point was to disprove the notion that we Irish always blame the ref when we don't win. You are mixing us up with what is the default position of the Welsh.

Risca Rev wrote:Ah Marius O'Mitrea. He's a known Irish sympathiser. Though it's generally the ladyboys he'll give iffy decisions too, when Dragons play them.

Always save a ladyboy when a dragon is about! It's nothing more than chivalry, Rev. He's just a courtly kind of chap who likes saving damsel he-shes.

Anyone implying Barnes "cheated" needs their head checked.

He has an interpretation of the game which doesn't favour Ireland, who like to contest almost every single breakdown. I don't like it when he refs us as a result of that, we basically aren't allowed to use one of the strongest parts of our game. We work hard on developing it and its very frustrating to not get to use it. It also doesn't produce much free-flowing rugby as it allows the defending team to fan out across the pitch and commit fewer numbers to the breakdown. People commending him for that should remember turnover ball is the best ball to attack from. Basically he makes the game look like rugby league, teams fanned out across the pitch while the attackers try and bosh their way through.

But thats it. I don't like Wayne Barnes but he's a fair referee and a good one who basically interprets the game differently to the way Ireland would like it to be reffed. Saying anything beyond that is a kind of bitter paranoia that deserves to be mocked.

Notch wrote:Anyone implying Barnes "cheated" needs their head checked.

He has an interpretation of the game which doesn't favour Ireland, who like to contest almost every single breakdown. I don't like it when he refs us as a result of that, we basically aren't allowed to use one of the strongest parts of our game. We work hard on developing it and its very frustrating to not get to use it. It also doesn't produce much free-flowing rugby as it allows the defending team to fan out across the pitch and commit fewer numbers to the breakdown. People commending him for that should remember turnover ball is the best ball to attack from. Basically he makes the game look like rugby league, teams fanned out across the pitch while the attackers try and bosh their way through.

But thats it. I don't like Wayne Barnes but he's a fair referee and a good one who basically interprets the game differently to the way Ireland would like it to be reffed. Saying anything beyond that is a kind of bitter paranoia that deserves to be mocked.

Thats a reasonaly naive view in my opinion. His dire record of contentious decisions speaks for itself but feel free to bury your head in the sand if diplomacy is your sole raison d'etre.

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:Anyone implying Barnes "cheated" needs their head checked.

He has an interpretation of the game which doesn't favour Ireland, who like to contest almost every single breakdown. I don't like it when he refs us as a result of that, we basically aren't allowed to use one of the strongest parts of our game. We work hard on developing it and its very frustrating to not get to use it. It also doesn't produce much free-flowing rugby as it allows the defending team to fan out across the pitch and commit fewer numbers to the breakdown. People commending him for that should remember turnover ball is the best ball to attack from. Basically he makes the game look like rugby league, teams fanned out across the pitch while the attackers try and bosh their way through.

But thats it. I don't like Wayne Barnes but he's a fair referee and a good one who basically interprets the game differently to the way Ireland would like it to be reffed. Saying anything beyond that is a kind of bitter paranoia that deserves to be mocked.

Thats a reasonaly naive view in my opinion. His dire record of contentious decisions speaks for itself but feel free to bury your head in the sand if diplomacy is your sole raison d'etre.

I've been called many things on this forum, but diplomatic has never been one of them

Notice how it's always English posters supporting Barnes? I.e. Those who never have to suffer his failure at international level?

TheRugbyMaster wrote:Notice how it's always English posters supporting Barnes? I.e. Those who never have to suffer his failure at international level?

Interesting point actually...but in general context.

How would Barnes ref England if he was allowed and was in a mood to keep to his principles? I think the forwards might have a hard time - gain the ascendancy and he keeps whistling you out of rhythm?

NZ by any chance Rugby Master? Ive sat through plenty of rubbish ref performances and not thought hes out to get us.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:Notice how it's always English posters supporting Barnes? I.e. Those who never have to suffer his failure at international level?

He reffed the Cornish Pirates a few years ago when I was there and the crowd started shouting and blaming the "English" ref. As a Welshman it was sort of funny.

Barnes is an average to ok ref. I am mainly a club supporter and I suspect as such have had him reffing our games rather a lot. Like all refs, his style suits some teams more than others. I woudl rather he did not ref any games with Quins (We pretty much always win when he does not, always lose when he does) however I woudl take him for matches against Saints as the situation then is reversed.

This is not bias. He does not "like" Quins more than us or us more than Saints. It is just how our respective styles of play mesh with his style of reffing.


The posters who have been alleging that Barnes was corrupt - and reffed Ireland out of the game to serve his RFU paymasters are (and here I try to attack the views expressed not the poster) expressing a view that is unbelievably stupid, childish, shows extreme signs f denial and frankly is rather condescending to the Welsh team who put out a fantastic defensive display.

LordDowlais wrote:I am going to be waiting with baited breath for the Irish to tar and feather me next time I talk about biased refs in the Pro12. Where is chunkynorwich when I need him ?

Oh the hypocrisy of it all.

Some things are best kept to oneself, LD

Munchkin wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I am going to be waiting with baited breath for the Irish to tar and feather me next time I talk about biased refs in the Pro12. Where is chunkynorwich when I need him ?

Oh the hypocrisy of it all.

  Some things are best kept to oneself, LD

Indeed. Seems rather hypocritical to slate the Irish posters for claiming Barnes was biased when running your own campaign to denounce Irish refs as biased.

Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

LondonTiger wrote:Barnes is an average to ok ref. I am mainly a club supporter and I suspect as such have had him reffing our games rather a lot. Like all refs, his style suits some teams more than others. I woudl rather he did not ref any games with Quins (We pretty much always win when he does not, always lose when he does) however I woudl take him for matches against Saints as the situation then is reversed.

This is not bias. He does not "like" Quins more than us or us more than Saints. It is just how our respective styles of play mesh with his style of reffing.

The posters who have been alleging that Barnes was corrupt - and reffed Ireland out of the game to serve his RFU paymasters are (and here I try to attack the views expressed not the poster) expressing a view that is unbelievably stupid, childish, shows extreme signs f denial and frankly is rather condescending to the Welsh team who put out a fantastic defensive display.

So basically, you think, after 10 years as a pro ref, he is still incompetent, is it?

Can you explain why he didn't ref the Welsh the same way as the Irish?

Do you not think there is something wrong with his reffing that means that no matter what a team does, if he doesn't like your style of play, you can forget about winning the game.

LondonTiger wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I am going to be waiting with baited breath for the Irish to tar and feather me next time I talk about biased refs in the Pro12. Where is chunkynorwich when I need him ?

Oh the hypocrisy of it all.

  Some things are best kept to oneself, LD

Indeed. Seems rather hypocritical to slate the Irish posters for claiming Barnes was biased when running your own campaign to denounce Irish refs as biased.

You are entitled to argue your Irish ref conspiracy, just as much as you are to argue how fair all other refs are.

You had a whoosh moment though. Not what I was saying

"You" can mean "one" (especially for people who would rather chew off their own leg than use "one"). It doesn't always mean "you".

Edit: in this case it's "one's" rather than "your" but the point is the same.

I thought you thought LT was accusing you as running a campaign denouncing Irish refs. If you did, I was pointing out that the comment could have been written regarding LD rather than yourself. If you weren't saying that ...

Munchkin wrote:

Indeed!

Could we all just calm down. Take a deep breath. Count to five.................

Now, back to the discussion on Ref interpretations of law that don't suit his ideas of style.

Sin é wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Barnes is an average to ok ref. I am mainly a club supporter and I suspect as such have had him reffing our games rather a lot. Like all refs, his style suits some teams more than others. I woudl rather he did not ref any games with Quins (We pretty much always win when he does not, always lose when he does) however I woudl take him for matches against Saints as the situation then is reversed.

This is not bias. He does not "like" Quins more than us or us more than Saints. It is just how our respective styles of play mesh with his style of reffing.

The posters who have been alleging that Barnes was corrupt - and reffed Ireland out of the game to serve his RFU paymasters are (and here I try to attack the views expressed not the poster) expressing a view that is unbelievably stupid, childish, shows extreme signs f denial and frankly is rather condescending to the Welsh team who put out a fantastic defensive display.

So basically, you think, after 10 years as a pro ref, he is still incompetent, is it?

Can you explain why he didn't ref the Welsh the same way as the Irish?

Do you not think there is something wrong with his reffing that means that no matter what a team does, if he doesn't like your style of play, you can forget about winning the game.

The Welsh learned from the Irish penalties in the first half and did not make the same mistakes.

As for his not liking a particular style. It is well known that he is very strict on defenders not very clearly releasing the attacking player before going for the ball. He allows the attacking player a bit longer before penalising them for holding on than some refs.  Teams just have to adapt.

All referees have their own particular style. Players need to adapt to these. Ireland along with the other Pro12 nations and Pro12 teams in Euro Comps at least sometimes get refs from their own league who they know well and whose style they have learned. That is not an advantage England or France or their clubs ever have so I would not moan too much.

Ok. Both sides were cheating in the first half. Cheating by slowing the ball down illegally. Some people prefer to let this go to 'keep the game flowing', which really mean their team is better at cheating in this way. Unfortunately, that short sighted view is why the game is in a relatively crap state now where teams where teams are used to, and no doubt coached to, cheating to give the time to the defence to set. This leads to solid defences and often cheating is required to break them. Blocking, offside, forward passes, etc.

As an aside, anyone expecting any ref to be 100% consistent with all offsides (regardless of position or context) is a complete and utter moron.

Ah. No, not at all. I know LD's view on Irish ref's, and I know he doesn't think I would share his views

It was just the thought of LD waiting with baited breath to be tarred and feathered, amused me. I'm odd

Considering all refs are generally on the one 'Team' - should they genuinely not have to go to a common 'International Standard Reffing Academy for a few months of every year, where they would be put through their paces and given the directives from on high as to how to interpret the rules - so that from this one academy would come a clearly defined pathway to 'interpretation'  That each and every ref would have a trained timeframe through which certain actions could occur before getting pinged.

To more clearly make my point,  we should have a situation at International level whereby all teams, North and South of the Equator, would absolutely have a realistic idea of how long a second is - how long a half second is, how long 'Advantage' lasts when the ref allows play to continue etc
Clearly defined timesets for actions and punishment - that all refs would be coaxed to adopt as instinct. Not controlled by a clock obviously but controlled by a reasonable degree of conformity.

Then teams might have more time to study the opposition than they now require to study the whims of individual refs.

Munchkin wrote:Ah. No, not at all. I know LD's view on Irish ref's, and I know he doesn't think I would share his views

It was just the thought of LD waiting with baited breath to be tarred and feathered, amused me. I'm odd

Kinky. Must be another Merthyr fetish I guess.

No 7&1/2 wrote:NZ by any chance Rugby Master? Ive sat through plenty of rubbish ref performances and not thought hes out to get us.

Steve Walsh?

I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

There's your conspiracy then, Barnes is a cheat and forced an Irish loss to enable an English win. So simple really. he went out in front of 75,000 fans, millions of tv viewers, 3 ref colleagues with VT playback, 46 pro rugby players and countless coaches and back room staff and cheated his way to reviving England's chances at the 6 Nations.

The man has cohones on his cohones

Well, i guess that's what it takes for the English to win it.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

I sense a ghostly presence.

LondonTiger wrote:The posters who have been alleging that Barnes was corrupt - and reffed Ireland out of the game to serve his RFU paymasters are (and here I try to attack the views expressed not the poster) expressing a view that is unbelievably stupid, childish, shows extreme signs f denial and frankly is rather condescending to the Welsh team who put out a fantastic defensive display.

Nail. Head.

Gwlad wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

There's your conspiracy then, Barnes is a cheat and forced an Irish loss to enable an English win. So simple really. he went out in front of 75,000 fans, millions of tv viewers, 3 ref colleagues with VT playback, 46 pro rugby players and countless coaches and back room staff and cheated his way to reviving England's chances at the 6 Nations.

The man has cohones on his cohones

Well, i guess that's what it takes for the English to win it.

Excellent detective work. You make it sound like an episode of Scooby-Doo.

Cyril wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

I sense a ghostly presence.

Scooby-Doo again.

If Barnes really didn't want Ireland to win, he had no need to award that penalty try. He could have just given it as a penalty and erroneously claimed it didn't have the momentum to definitely get over the line.

Whether the poster is Welsh, Irish, English or Martian these threads happen because people ignore the decisions he makes that favour their teams

Gwlad wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

There's your conspiracy then, Barnes is a cheat and forced an Irish loss to enable an English win. So simple really. he went out in front of 75,000 fans, millions of tv viewers, 3 ref colleagues with VT playback, 46 pro rugby players and countless coaches and back room staff and cheated his way to reviving England's chances at the 6 Nations.

The man has cohones on his cohones

Well, i guess that's what it takes for the English to win it.

As I said - merely a coincidence. Otherwise there would be innumerable incidences of total inconsistency which happened to favour Wales throughout the match, and possibly a telling moment or two where Ireland were destined to score prevented only by inexplicable intervention handing the ball back to Wales in desperate circumstances. Since nobody saw this happen, it must be a coincidence only.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:NZ by any chance Rugby Master? Ive sat through plenty of rubbish ref performances and not thought hes out to get us.

Steve Walsh?

Whats your nationality/who do you support? Ive never thought Walsh was out to get us. Seen him have a frustrating match against Wales but he does call it as he sees it.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:NZ by any chance Rugby Master? Ive sat through plenty of rubbish ref performances and not thought hes out to get us.

Steve Walsh?

Whats your nationality/who do you support? Ive never thought Walsh was out to get us. Seen him have a frustrating match against Wales but he does call it as he sees it.

You miss my point old boy - Walsh was supposed to be the referee if you recall, at the last minute he mysteriously was replaced by Barnes - not long after England had lost to Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31747947

It's easy to see how his coincidence could be mistaken for something more sinister, especially since the video has emerged showing just how many calls might've been interpreted differently on another day by another referee.

Myself, I thought Wales were just very good and that sexton looked to be carrying an injury....as I said in the game thread.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:NZ by any chance Rugby Master? Ive sat through plenty of rubbish ref performances and not thought hes out to get us.

Steve Walsh?

Whats your nationality/who do you support? Ive never thought Walsh was out to get us. Seen him have a frustrating match against Wales but he does call it as he sees it.

You miss my point old boy - Walsh was supposed to be the referee if you recall, at the last minute he mysteriously was replaced by Barnes - not long after England had lost to Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31747947

It's easy to see how his coincidence could be mistaken for something more sinister, especially since the video has emerged showing just how many calls might've been interpreted differently on another day by another referee.

Myself, I thought Wales were just very good and that sexton looked to be carrying an injury....as I said in the game thread.

And has been replaced this weekend by a Welshman. I dont think ill be on here Monday claiming a conspiracy. Where are you from Rugbymaster and which team do you support?

Gwlad wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I wouldn't say that it's surprising that Barnes has had another shocker - or that England are yet again the benefactors of some odd desiciok making.
No, just a coincidence.

There's your conspiracy then, Barnes is a cheat and forced an Irish loss to enable an English win. So simple really. he went out in front of 75,000 fans, millions of tv viewers, 3 ref colleagues with VT playback, 46 pro rugby players and countless coaches and back room staff and cheated his way to reviving England's chances at the 6 Nations.

The man has cohones on his cohones

Well, i guess that's what it takes for the English to win it.

Didn't Hartley call Barnes a cheat in front of 80K. As Tiger says, he doesn't like Northampton apparently. The man has previous.

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

GunsGerms wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

Maybe when Ireland learn to score tries they won't have to rely on such tight calls.

Barnes had a good game, he was consistent in the first half, Warburton even got binned, and the second half was much more free flowing because of fewer breakdown infringements from both teams.

Sorry to say but Ireland just aren't as good when the breakdown is refereed correctly, we all know they love to lie all over the ball

IronMike wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

Maybe when Ireland learn to score tries they won't have to rely on such tight calls.

Barnes had a good game, he was consistent in the first half, Warburton even got binned, and the second half was much more free flowing because of fewer breakdown infringements from both teams.

Sorry to say but Ireland just aren't as good when the breakdown is refereed correctly, we all know they love to lie all over the ball

He had no option but to bin Warburton eventually - funnily enough, Ireland only got 1 kickable penalty up to that (27 minutes) and Warburton gets sent off for frequent infringements. In the meantime, Wales had 4 kickable penalties with no Irish player being sent to the bin. Why was that? With that amount of penalties, you would imagine Ireland would have 1 or two in the bin.

double post

Sin é wrote:

IronMike wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

Maybe when Ireland learn to score tries they won't have to rely on such tight calls.

Barnes had a good game, he was consistent in the first half, Warburton even got binned, and the second half was much more free flowing because of fewer breakdown infringements from both teams.

Sorry to say but Ireland just aren't as good when the breakdown is refereed correctly, we all know they love to lie all over the ball

He had no option but to bin Warburton eventually - funnily enough, Ireland only got 1 kickable penalty up to that (27 minutes) and Warburton gets sent off for frequent infringements. In the meantime, Wales had 4 kickable penalties with no Irish player being sent to the bin. Why was that?  With that amount of penalties, you would imagine Ireland would have 1 or two in the bin.

There were 3kickable penalties for breakdown offences against Wales in quick succession a warning the the yellow.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

IronMike wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

Maybe when Ireland learn to score tries they won't have to rely on such tight calls.

Barnes had a good game, he was consistent in the first half, Warburton even got binned, and the second half was much more free flowing because of fewer breakdown infringements from both teams.

Sorry to say but Ireland just aren't as good when the breakdown is refereed correctly, we all know they love to lie all over the ball

He had no option but to bin Warburton eventually - funnily enough, Ireland only got 1 kickable penalty up to that (27 minutes) and Warburton gets sent off for frequent infringements. In the meantime, Wales had 4 kickable penalties with no Irish player being sent to the bin. Why was that?  With that amount of penalties, you would imagine Ireland would have 1 or two in the bin.

There were 3kickable penalties for breakdown offences against Wales in quick succession a warning the the yellow.

It amounted to 1 penalty though because advantage was given. He stopped the game as well at the most awkward angle for the kick