This is why we love Wayne Barnes.

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Review of Wayne Barnes v Ireland 2015:

https://youtu.be/IEuXfewLcuY

Ireland lose again with Barnes as ref. Its getting ridiculous now. 3 wins in the last 13 games v Barnes. Really hope we don't get him for any WC games.

Joe Schmidt also has issues with Barnes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/joe-schmidt-has-issues-with-wayne-barnes-over-scrum-calls-1.2145742

Graham Henry also suspects something isnt quite right about Barnes' lopsided officiating too

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/07/31/graham-henrys-final-word-on-suspected-match-fixing-in-rwc-2007/

I'm sure if we all spent ages going through the game and hand picking all the Irish infringements we'd have a lengthy video too.

IronMike wrote:I'm sure if we all spent ages going through the game and hand picking all the Irish infringements we'd have a lengthy video too.

Barnes already did that live

GunsGerms wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Something happened to Barnes, he was clearly biased in their favor when Ireland won the Grand Slam by beating Wales. Someone from the valleys must have got to him, or his family, maybe he just had a bad pint of Guinness. Whatever it is he is clearly against them now. Takes every opportunity to penalize them. Shocking and obvious corruption of this type has no place in rugby.

He did his best to let Wales back into the game. Thats one of three Wales v Ireland matches I can think of where he gave a crucial penalty to Wales to end the game.

Does that include the 09 Slam decider when he gifted Jones the pen at the end and he missed it. Cheating b#$%^D, the kiwis are right, surpsied the IRB, RFU and the world's rugby fraternity haven't caught onto it yet, only the twisted, bitter sore losers on 606v2.
In case you hadn't noticed Wales shipped a pen try and 2 yellows. now that tells us 2 things

1. Ireland were shoite
2. Barnes is very confused about what being biased, partial cheating involves.

I dont post on here often but this thread is dumb as f*** . 2 yellows and a pen try and people still saying he was on our side !! really is that what someone on someones side would do ? the pen count in the first 15 mins could have warranted a yellow against the Irish but who cares? the ref's have been sh*t all through the 6n. Nothing will change the results and tbh it was the best game so far good luck to the 3 teams still in with a shout of winning

thomh wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

Griff wrote:F*ck me, this site's gone to the dogs.  What a rapid decline!

To be fair, you can't have come on this thread and anticipated there to be worthwhile discussion. It has been apparent from the final whistle on Sat, that some are only interested in Wayne Barnes bashing instead of looking at the real issue of how their team were initially caught like rabbits in headlights (momentum lost with the Samson Lee injury break) and how they were so blunt despite countless phases and glaringly obvious overlaps. Even Jiffy tried telling them it was on etc.

In fairness, most of us know that Barnes is a terrible ref. How Rolland could have been run out of the game for making the correct call and Barnes get away with being totally incompetent is mind boggling.

The Irish management have requested an explaination of Barnes' refereeing from Joel Jutge of World Rugby and in particular how he awarded the final scrum penalty for Wales which they were unable to figure out (according to Simon Easterby, Ireland's forwards coach).

Didn't that particular call come from the line judge? Barnes seemed to indicate far side if I remember rightly.

This may have already been covered. The penalty was not for an offence at the scrum. It was for offside. Before the ball is out Madigan rushes up to cover the blindside, getting right up to the base of the scrum by the time it goes down. 5m offside.

I hope Wayne Barnes refs the next game between Ireland and the ABs. Imagine the pre-game banter. Who will win the 'we was hard done by the most' competition. I haven't seen the Wales v Ireland game but he can't have been as out of his depth and incompetent as he was in 2007. Surely he couldn't have been, surely.

LondonTiger wrote:

thomh wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

Griff wrote:F*ck me, this site's gone to the dogs.  What a rapid decline!

To be fair, you can't have come on this thread and anticipated there to be worthwhile discussion. It has been apparent from the final whistle on Sat, that some are only interested in Wayne Barnes bashing instead of looking at the real issue of how their team were initially caught like rabbits in headlights (momentum lost with the Samson Lee injury break) and how they were so blunt despite countless phases and glaringly obvious overlaps. Even Jiffy tried telling them it was on etc.

In fairness, most of us know that Barnes is a terrible ref. How Rolland could have been run out of the game for making the correct call and Barnes get away with being totally incompetent is mind boggling.

The Irish management have requested an explaination of Barnes' refereeing from Joel Jutge of World Rugby and in particular how he awarded the final scrum penalty for Wales which they were unable to figure out (according to Simon Easterby, Ireland's forwards coach).

Didn't that particular call come from the line judge? Barnes seemed to indicate far side if I remember rightly.

This may have already been covered. The penalty was not for an offence at the scrum. It was for offside. Before the ball is out Madigan rushes up to cover the blindside, getting right up to the base of the scrum by the time it goes down. 5m offside.

If that is the call that Madigan was offside - it was the wrong call as he wasn't offside.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f19/16/53/77/41/scrumo11.jpg

Offside at the scrum
For scrum-halves, the offside line is the line of the ball fed into the scrum.

So that means they can't go past that line until the ball has been put into the scrum by the opposing number nine.

For all the other players, the offside line is an imaginary line drawn through the foot of the last player in the scrum.

No player apart from the eight forwards and scrum-halves are allowed in this area.

The opposing scrum-half has to wait until the ball is fully out of the scrum before making a tackle for the ball.

If they don't, then the referee will be on their case.

A penalty will be given at the place where the offence took place.

See here for illustration of where offside would be.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/rules_and_equipment/4204680.stm

Law 20.12 (g) Offside for players not in the scrum. Players who are not in the scrum and who are not the team’s scrum half, are offside if they remain in front of their offside line or overstep the offside line which is a line parallel to the goal lines and 5 metres behind the hindmost player of each team in a scrum.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?law=20.12



You are quoting the old law.

LondonTiger wrote:Law 20.12 (g)  Offside for players not in the scrum. Players who are not in the scrum and who are not the team’s scrum half, are offside if they remain in front of their offside line or overstep the offside line which is a line parallel to the goal lines and 5 metres behind the hindmost player of each team in a scrum.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?law=20.12

You are quoting the old law.

Since he ignored the crocked throw into the scrum, he could have least have asked them to move back another metre. Its not as if they touched the ball. It was like they were setting them up to give Wales a penalty. Of course Barnes ignored the wheeling of the scrum as well.

He was reffing one team off the park all day.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f19/16/53/77/41/george11.jpg

George North was well offside by the way (he was infront of the goal line when the ball was still in the scrum).

Sin é wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

thomh wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

Griff wrote:F*ck me, this site's gone to the dogs.  What a rapid decline!    Let me ooouuuttttaaaa heerrrrreeee!

To be fair, you can't have come on this thread and anticipated there to be worthwhile discussion. It has been apparent from the final whistle on Sat, that some are only interested in Wayne Barnes bashing instead of looking at the real issue of how their team were initially caught like rabbits in headlights (momentum lost with the Samson Lee injury break) and how they were so blunt despite countless phases and glaringly obvious overlaps. Even Jiffy tried telling them it was on etc.

In fairness, most of us know that Barnes is a terrible ref. How Rolland could have been run out of the game for making the correct call and Barnes get away with being totally incompetent is mind boggling.

The Irish management have requested an explaination of Barnes' refereeing from Joel Jutge of World Rugby and in particular how he awarded the final scrum penalty for Wales which they were unable to figure out (according to Simon Easterby, Ireland's forwards coach).

Didn't that particular call come from the line judge? Barnes seemed to indicate far side if I remember rightly.

This may have already been covered. The penalty was not for an offence at the scrum. It was for offside. Before the ball is out Madigan rushes up to cover the blindside, getting right up to the base of the scrum by the time it goes down. 5m offside.

If that is the call that Madigan was offside - it was the wrong call as he wasn't offside.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f19/16/53/77/41/scrumo11.jpg

Offside at the scrum
For scrum-halves, the offside line is the line of the ball fed into the scrum.

So that means they can't go past that line until the ball has been put into the scrum by the opposing number nine.

For all the other players, the offside line is an imaginary line drawn through the foot of the last player in the scrum.

No player apart from the eight forwards and scrum-halves are allowed in this area.

The opposing scrum-half has to wait until the ball is fully out of the scrum before making a tackle for the ball.

If they don't, then the referee will be on their case.

A penalty will be given at the place where the offence took place.

See here for illustration of where offside would be.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/rules_and_equipment/4204680.stm

Will someone please rescue poor ol' Griff out of this post!

I'm trapped!

LondonTiger wrote:Indeed. Seems rather hypocritical to slate the Irish posters for claiming Barnes was biased when running your own campaign to denounce Irish refs as biased..

I am not slating anyone, all I am saying is when I now do it in the Pro12 the Irish cannot get on their high horses about it.

If you take a second to look at it from my point of view, the Irish refs are employed by the Irish provinces, and they train with the players from the provinces, yet they are then reffing in a league they are meant to be nuetral in. Imagine a training session for Munster, with all the players and John Lacey, what is to stop Paul O'Connell having a quiet word about next weeks game, weather it be about certain players or the odd jibe, like do us a favour next week John, I know I might be very wide of the mark, but if you watch the Pro12 and see what the irish provinces get away with when Irish refs are in charge I think you might agree with me.

I have not read through this whole thread but have watched the video and must say it does not provide much evidence of Barnes cheating Wales to victory.

Personally I think that he is an incompetent and poor ref with an ego the size of the moon BUT he was consistently poor for both sides on Saturday and showed zero bias in my opinion.

Ireland were simply beaten by a Welsh side who got their tactics spot on and performed them well. Their defense, even though facing phase after phase after phase, never really looked like breaking. The stats will say that Ireland were the only team attacking with the amount of tackles that Wales made but if you actually watch the game, Ireland at one stage had something like 30 phases in the Welsh 22 and made zero ground. That could be seen as either Ireland having very little idea how to attack, Wales excellent marshalling of their defense or both. Truth be told, Wales held out Ireland just the same way as Ireland held out England and France. It was a good game and well done Wales

Nachos Jones_1 wrote:I have not read through this whole thread but have watched the video and must say it does not provide much evidence of Barnes cheating Wales to victory.

Personally I think that he is an incompetent and poor ref with an ego the size of the moon BUT he was consistently poor for both sides on Saturday and showed zero bias in my opinion.

Ireland were simply beaten by a Welsh side who got their tactics spot on and performed them well. Their defense, even though facing phase after phase after phase, never really looked like breaking. The stats will say that Ireland were the only team attacking with the amount of tackles that Wales made but if you actually watch the game, Ireland at one stage had something like 30 phases in the Welsh 22 and made zero ground. That could be seen as either Ireland having very little idea how to attack, Wales excellent marshalling of their defense or both. Truth be told, Wales held out Ireland just the same way as Ireland held out England and France. It was a good game and well done Wales

Thats not true at all. In the first 10 minutes Wales were given 4 kickable penalties for minor offenses at the breakdown in very quick sucession. By contrast in the second half when Ireland were in the ascendancy Barnes took a different more leniant approach at the breakdown. At one point he ignored multiple offenses as Ireland went through 32 phases. The only thing Barnes is consistent with is how inconsistent he is particularly when it comes to Ireland.

There is plenty of history.

GunsGerms wrote: In the first 10 minutes Wales were given 4 kickable penalties

Yet no warning or a yellow, infact no yellows for Ireland all game, but Wales had two. Yes definate bias against Wales there.

GunsGerms,

He was very pedantic in the first 10minutes, yes but he was not inconsistent. He warned Ireland and Ireland adjusted. Wales were then consistently warned and received a yellow card after Ireland had adjusted to him.

I fail to see any real bias against Ireland myself.

Actually for people wanting to paint a picture that didn't exist he did give Ireland a warning after the 4th pen. Wales then had 3 quick in a row in the 1st half were wanrned then Warburton went to the bin.

Nachos Jones_1 wrote:I have not read through this whole thread but have watched the video and must say it does not provide much evidence of Barnes cheating Wales to victory.

Personally I think that he is an incompetent and poor ref with an ego the size of the moon ...

"That's no moon ..."

Any way, to lay the blame at the feet of Barnes would seem churlish and disrespectful of a fine performance by Wales.

However it has to be said that Irish posters and fans are not usually the sort to indulge in ref baiting. And where there is smoke there is usually combustible material in an advanced state of rapid oxidisation.

It's not like Barnes doesn't have history.

The timing of his appointment is something I can't get away from.

Let me go research Jonno Kaplans "rate the ref" site and see if I can track him down on twitter. He usually obliges with a professional and impartial view on such matters.

Stay posted.

Why won't you answer where you're from and what team you support RugbyMaster? Do you think that the Owens situation is strange as well he's made a couple of clangers in the last couple he's reffed England. I want to know whether to get my tin foil hat out of storage.

Well someone has already beaten me to the punch and posted that very video to JK and rate the ref.

Looking forward to any response.

Owens? Upstanding gentleman and finest ref in the world today. Isn't he?

Did you catch him on AQOS yesterday?

Answer the question RM. There's no ref at international level I think is poor; watched too many 2nd tier games for that.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Answer the question RM. There's no ref at international level I think is poor; watched too many 2nd tier games for that.

Clancy is feicing dreadful.

Refereeing in general has been pretty dogshoite since the 90's/early 00's.

A lot of that is down to the cretins at the IRB over-complicating the rules however.

You've truely been spoilt Tattie, I've seen refs forget which way to hold their hand out when giving penalties, thinking it's football!

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Answer the question RM. There's no ref at international level I think is poor; watched too many 2nd tier games for that.

Clancy is feicing dreadful.

Refereeing in general has been pretty dogshoite since the 90's/early 00's.

A lot of that is down to the cretins at the IRB over-complicating the rules however.

Yes this could be true but I also feel a lot of it is down to the vast amounts of camera's at grounds showing constant replay's.

I personally believe that the refereeing standard has dropped slightly but not as much as its perceived. There are now far too many way's to focus on referee's decisions, good or bad. Decisions that would have been accepted back in the day due to less camera's. Just my thoughts as I feel referee's are now more under the microscope than they used to be.

No 7&1/2 wrote:You've truely been spoilt Tattie, I've seen refs forget which way to hold their hand out when giving penalties, thinking it's football!

That is bad.

Personally I believe that the refs of years gone by would struggle today. The laws have indeed been messed with too much, the players are bigger, fitter and stronger and more able to cheat. We have so many camera angles and super slo mo while the ref has a single view with limited field of visibility.

Clancy applies the laws as they are written and gets castigated. Owens ignores large chunks of the law book and gets praised.

The breakdown is such a mess now compared to years gone by. Rucks used to be people on their feet, now it is fat boys, lying down, taking a rest yet all affecting getting the ball out.

Nachos Jones_1 wrote:

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Answer the question RM. There's no ref at international level I think is poor; watched too many 2nd tier games for that.

Clancy is feicing dreadful.

Refereeing in general has been pretty dogshoite since the 90's/early 00's.

A lot of that is down to the cretins at the IRB over-complicating the rules however.

Yes this could be true but I also feel a lot of it is down to the vast amounts of camera's at grounds showing constant replay's.

I personally believe that the refereeing standard has dropped slightly but not as much as its perceived. There are now far too many way's to focus on referee's decisions, good or bad. Decisions that would have been accepted back in the day due to less camera's. Just my thoughts as I feel referee's are now more under the microscope than they used to be.

I suppose that with technology, Ref's 'relax' a bit during matches knowing they're covered if unsure. Which is fine to a point due to many teams pushing their luck within the rules but still, I feel that the game in general is getting spoiled by personal interpretations which completely negates any consistency.

This in turn, leads to utter bollix being spouted on this site.

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

I suppose that with technology, Ref's 'relax' a bit during matches knowing they're covered if unsure. Which is fine to a point due to many teams pushing their luck within the rules but still, I feel that the game in general is getting spoiled by personal interpretations which completely negates any consistency.

This in turn, leads to utter bollix being spouted on this site.

This, this is what I think is wrong with the game. Far too much reliance on going to the TMO for decisions. Sure you get the right outcome a large percentage of the time but it just slows the game down too much and often takes away the 'benefit of the doubt' factor. I like the old approach, sometimes things went for you and sometimes against but I always respected a referee's decision and admired referee's with the courage to make tight calls.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

Let me go research Jonno Kaplans "rate the ref" site and see if I can track him down on twitter. He usually obliges with a professional and impartial view on such matters.

You posted garbage from Kaplan a while back using one of your previous accounts. Well, I say 'posted', you quoted out of context, mis-represented the original text and made stuff up.

Same old

I re-watched England v Scotland over the last couple of evenings, and one observation was that Poitre appeared to have a very good game. Didn't miss any of the major decisions (such as our two forward passes), and reffed the breakdown in a way that allowed both sides to generate quick ball, but not to the exclusion of competing by the defenders. I'm sure both sets of supporters could point to individual decisions they felt went against them (England fans particularly regarding Marler being pinged twice in scrums that were going forward - the problem is was he driving in and pushing Murray inwards, or was Murray turning in first and Marler following?), but for me it was one of the better performances of the tournament.

Strange that you can always spot him a mile off isn't it Cyril! I wanted to hear where he was from this time as I do enjoy his flights of fancy.

Someone said above that Ireland were beaten by a Welsh side that got their tactics right????

I don't like hearing such meddlesome interference in a smashing thread! I may have to find a Mod if it persists.

SecretFly wrote:Someone said above that Ireland were beaten by a Welsh side that got their tactics right????

I don't like hearing such meddlesome interference in a smashing thread!  I may have to find a Mod if it persists.

I thought Poite made two massive howlers. England shoudl have been given a penalty try when that scrum went forward a long way and was stopped by Scotland disengaging and collapsing. Instead he gave the penalty and then of course he penalised Marler at the next scrum.

He should also have sinbinned Cole. I can only assume that he decided that cole thought that the conversation they had before he went offside was telling him the 5 seconds were up. Dunno.

Otherwise he was consistent in how he applied the laws - but not necesarily the same as another ref.

Oh, and here are Kaplan's comment on Barnes

"... I thought Wayne Barnes did a very good job in this most demanding of test matches. He has lost some weight and showed me that he is very serious about doing well in this year’s RWC. He refereed the game quite strictly, not everyone’s cup of tea, but was fair and consistent and showed some BMT when he had to make the big decisions. Throw in a couple of yellow cards and holding his nerve at the end of the game, I thought it was a fine effort by Wayne Barnes.

There was a wee bit of inconsistency in respect of players not rolling away, or the direction in which they rolled, and perhaps there is always room for improvement for every referee in every game. I do sometimes have sympathy for players caught on the wrong side, though and felt for O’Connell early on when he did his best to allow the quick production of the ball but got caught on the wrong side. The ref is damned if he does and equally damned if he doesn’t. The only thing that I think needs extra consideration is the vulnerability of the player and his realistic chances of extricating himself, and it’s a tough call. He got criticised for awarding a scrum to Wales after an Irish maul was stopped close to the line, when it was a perfectly fair call if he deemed the maul not to have been brought down deliberately. I can’t quite understand why the Irish captain, O’Connell was quoted as saying he couldn’t understand it. I’m sure he did…"

Nachos Jones_1 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Someone said above that Ireland were beaten by a Welsh side that got their tactics right????

I don't like hearing such meddlesome interference in a smashing thread!  I may have to find a Mod if it persists.

Oh I knew it was you, Nachos. But given that you're Irish, I didn't want to expose you by naming you so that I could give you 20 more chances before calling the cops. You know how we love to cheat

dummy_half wrote:Oh, and here are Kaplan's comment on Barnes

"... I thought Wayne Barnes did a very good job in this most demanding of test matches. He has lost some weight and showed me that he is very serious about doing well in this year’s RWC. He refereed the game quite strictly, not everyone’s cup of tea, but was fair and consistent and showed some BMT when he had to make the big decisions. Throw in a couple of yellow cards and holding his nerve at the end of the game, I thought it was a fine effort by Wayne Barnes.

There was a wee bit of inconsistency in respect of players not rolling away, or the direction in which they rolled, and perhaps there is always room for improvement for every referee in every game. I do sometimes have sympathy for players caught on the wrong side, though and felt for O’Connell early on when he did his best to allow the quick production of the ball but got caught on the wrong side. The ref is damned if he does and equally damned if he doesn’t. The only thing that I think needs extra consideration is the vulnerability of the player and his realistic chances of extricating himself, and it’s a tough call. He got criticised for awarding a scrum to Wales after an Irish maul was stopped close to the line, when it was a perfectly fair call if he deemed the maul not to have been brought down deliberately. I can’t quite understand why the Irish captain, O’Connell was quoted as saying he couldn’t understand it. I’m sure he did…"

Yes couldn't agree more. As I said, no suggestion of anything untoward, despite any suggestion of evidence to the contrary.

Good to see Barnes has lost weight , although that isn't always an indication of greater fitness.

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Oh, and here are Kaplan's comment on Barnes

"... I thought Wayne Barnes did a very good job in this most demanding of test matches. He has lost some weight and showed me that he is very serious about doing well in this year’s RWC. He refereed the game quite strictly, not everyone’s cup of tea, but was fair and consistent and showed some BMT when he had to make the big decisions. Throw in a couple of yellow cards and holding his nerve at the end of the game, I thought it was a fine effort by Wayne Barnes.

There was a wee bit of inconsistency in respect of players not rolling away, or the direction in which they rolled, and perhaps there is always room for improvement for every referee in every game. I do sometimes have sympathy for players caught on the wrong side, though and felt for O’Connell early on when he did his best to allow the quick production of the ball but got caught on the wrong side. The ref is damned if he does and equally damned if he doesn’t. The only thing that I think needs extra consideration is the vulnerability of the player and his realistic chances of extricating himself, and it’s a tough call. He got criticised for awarding a scrum to Wales after an Irish maul was stopped close to the line, when it was a perfectly fair call if he deemed the maul not to have been brought down deliberately. I can’t quite understand why the Irish captain, O’Connell was quoted as saying he couldn’t understand it. I’m sure he did…"

Yes couldn't agree more. As I said, no suggestion of anything untoward, despite any suggestion of evidence to the contrary.

Good to see Barnes has lost weight , although that isn't always an indication of greater fitness.

A fine defensive effort of Barnes from Kaplan. He is quite critical of Barnes, but is very subtle in his comments. Note all the decisions he is talking about are supposed infringements by Ireland.

Not once does he mention a harsh call on Wales!

Sin é wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Oh, and here are Kaplan's comment on Barnes

"... I thought Wayne Barnes did a very good job in this most demanding of test matches. He has lost some weight and showed me that he is very serious about doing well in this year’s RWC. He refereed the game quite strictly, not everyone’s cup of tea, but was fair and consistent and showed some BMT when he had to make the big decisions. Throw in a couple of yellow cards and holding his nerve at the end of the game, I thought it was a fine effort by Wayne Barnes.

There was a wee bit of inconsistency in respect of players not rolling away, or the direction in which they rolled, and perhaps there is always room for improvement for every referee in every game. I do sometimes have sympathy for players caught on the wrong side, though and felt for O’Connell early on when he did his best to allow the quick production of the ball but got caught on the wrong side. The ref is damned if he does and equally damned if he doesn’t. The only thing that I think needs extra consideration is the vulnerability of the player and his realistic chances of extricating himself, and it’s a tough call. He got criticised for awarding a scrum to Wales after an Irish maul was stopped close to the line, when it was a perfectly fair call if he deemed the maul not to have been brought down deliberately. I can’t quite understand why the Irish captain, O’Connell was quoted as saying he couldn’t understand it. I’m sure he did…"

Yes couldn't agree more. As I said, no suggestion of anything untoward, despite any suggestion of evidence to the contrary.

Good to see Barnes has lost weight , although that isn't always an indication of greater fitness.

A fine defensive effort of Barnes from Kaplan. He is quite critical of Barnes, but is very subtle in his comments. Note all the decisions he is talking about are supposed infringements by Ireland.

Not once does he mention a harsh call on Wales!

Where is he 'quite critical'


This really is a thread of people seeing what they want to see and ignoring reality

Still no answer then RM?

Riskysports wrote:

Sin é wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Oh, and here are Kaplan's comment on Barnes

"... I thought Wayne Barnes did a very good job in this most demanding of test matches. He has lost some weight and showed me that he is very serious about doing well in this year’s RWC. He refereed the game quite strictly, not everyone’s cup of tea, but was fair and consistent and showed some BMT when he had to make the big decisions. Throw in a couple of yellow cards and holding his nerve at the end of the game, I thought it was a fine effort by Wayne Barnes.

There was a wee bit of inconsistency in respect of players not rolling away, or the direction in which they rolled, and perhaps there is always room for improvement for every referee in every game. I do sometimes have sympathy for players caught on the wrong side, though and felt for O’Connell early on when he did his best to allow the quick production of the ball but got caught on the wrong side. The ref is damned if he does and equally damned if he doesn’t. The only thing that I think needs extra consideration is the vulnerability of the player and his realistic chances of extricating himself, and it’s a tough call. He got criticised for awarding a scrum to Wales after an Irish maul was stopped close to the line, when it was a perfectly fair call if he deemed the maul not to have been brought down deliberately. I can’t quite understand why the Irish captain, O’Connell was quoted as saying he couldn’t understand it. I’m sure he did…"

Yes couldn't agree more. As I said, no suggestion of anything untoward, despite any suggestion of evidence to the contrary.

Good to see Barnes has lost weight , although that isn't always an indication of greater fitness.

A fine defensive effort of Barnes from Kaplan. He is quite critical of Barnes, but is very subtle in his comments. Note all the decisions he is talking about are supposed infringements by Ireland.

Not once does he mention a harsh call on Wales!

Where is he 'quite critical'


This really is a thread of people seeing what they want to see and ignoring reality

Look at the bolded bits. Lots of 'ifs' and 'buts'.

Wow. That is critical is it.

80 mins of rugby and that it is.

Shocking.

Anyone who can see a maul collapse with one team flat on their backs and the others lying on top of them but think those on top pulled it down should perhaps start watching a simpler sport.

Tiddlywinks perhaps.

LondonTiger wrote:Anyone who can see a maul collapse with one team flat on their backs and the others lying on top of them but think those on top pulled it down should perhaps start watching a simpler sport.

Tiddlywinks perhaps.

Bless them though.

JOE SCHMIDT SAYS Ireland have still not received clarity on the final scrum penalty Wayne Barnes gave against them in last Saturday’s Six Nations defeat to Wales in the Millennium Stadium.

http://www.the42.ie/ireland-wayne-barnes-scrum-penalty-2002069-Mar2015/

Irish Rag wrote:While Schmidt insists Ireland are all about “about going forward now,”

Clearly

Sin é wrote:JOE SCHMIDT SAYS Ireland have still not received clarity on the final scrum penalty Wayne Barnes gave against them in last Saturday’s Six Nations defeat to Wales in the Millennium Stadium.

http://www.the42.ie/ireland-wayne-barnes-scrum-penalty-2002069-Mar2015/

They should have gone all Pat Lam on it and made sure HE never refs an Ireland match again.

Interesting to see Kaplan also talking about Kevin Mealamu as one of the greatest gentlemen in the game today.

That must ruffle some Irish feathers!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/joe-schmidt-has-issues-with-wayne-barnes-over-scrum-calls-1.2145742

Schmidt has issues with Barnes too.

No answer RugbyMaster?