Wales v Australia, 5 November

by **George Carlin** Mon 31 Oct 2016, 6:52 am

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WALES v AUSTRALIA
5 November 2016
KO: 14:30 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on BBC Sports

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Assistant Referees: Jérôme Garcès (France), Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

A. Head to Head

39 Played 39
10 Won 28
1 Drawn 1
28 Lost 10
596 Points 912

B. Recent Form

10 October 2015:
Twickenham Stadium
15 – 6 to Australia
2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A

8 November 2014:
Millennium Stadium
28 – 33 to Australia
2014 Autumn International

30 November 2013:
Millennium Stadium
26 – 30 to Australia
2013 Autumn International

1 December 2012:
Millennium Stadium
12 – 14 to Australia
2012 Autumn International

23 June 2012:
Sydney Football Stadium
20 – 19 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

16 June 2012:
Etihad Stadium
25 – 23 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

9 June 2012:
Suncorp Stadium
27 – 19 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

3 December 2011:
Millennium Stadium
18 – 24 to Australia
2011 Autumn International

C. Teams

WALES
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Wales v Australia, 5 November - Page 3 Dragon10

15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Rhys Webb, 8 Ross Moriarty, 7 Justin Tipuric, 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Luke Charteris, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Samson Le, 2 Ken Owens, 1 Gethin Jenkins

Replacements: 16 Scott Baldwin, 17 Nicky Smith, 18 Tomas Francis, 19 Cory Hill, 20 James King, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 Sam Davies, 23 Hallam Amos

AUSTRALIA
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Wales v Australia, 5 November - Page 3 Wallab10

15 Israel Folau, 14 Dane Haylett-Petty, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Reece Hodge, 11 Henry Speight, 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Lopeti Timani, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 David Pocock, 5 Adam Coleman, 4 Rory Arnold, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Stephen Moore (c), 1 Scott Sio

Replacements: 16 Tolu Latu, 17 James Slipper, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Rob Simmons, 20 Scott Fardy, 21 Nick Frisby, 22 Quade Cooper, 23 Sefa Naivalu

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:04 am

16. Scott Baldwin (Ospreys) (24 Caps), 17. Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (3 Caps), 18. Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (14 Caps), 19. Cory Hill (Newport Gwent Dragons) (UNCAPPED), 20. James King (Ospreys) (8 Caps), 21. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (17 Caps), 22. Sam Davies (Ospreys) (UNCAPPED), 23. Hallam Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons) (10 Caps)

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:05 am

Baldwin is the bigger shocker.

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:05 am

Sam Davies could get his first cap though.

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:07 am

Full team and replacements all in one place:-

15. Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon) (62 Caps), 14. Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues) (42 Caps), 13. Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (56 Caps), 12. Jamie Roberts (Harlequins) (83 Caps), 11. George North (Northampton Saints) (62 Caps), 10. Dan Biggar (Ospreys) (48 Caps), 9. Rhys Webb (Ospreys) (22 Caps), 1. Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (126 Caps) (CAPTAIN), 2. Ken Owens (Scarlets) (42 Caps), 3. Samson Lee (Scarlets) (26 Caps), 4. Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (56 Caps), 5. Luke Charteris (Bath Rugby) (68 Caps), 6. Dan Lydiate (Ospreys) (57 Caps), 7. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (43 Caps), 8. Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (9 Caps)

Replacements:-

16. Scott Baldwin (Ospreys) (24 Caps), 17. Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (3 Caps), 18. Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (14 Caps), 19. Cory Hill (Newport Gwent Dragons) (UNCAPPED), 20. James King (Ospreys) (8 Caps), 21. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (17 Caps), 22. Sam Davies (Ospreys) (UNCAPPED), 23. Hallam Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons) (10 Caps)

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:07 am

LordDowlais wrote:Sam Davies could get his first cap though.

Hope not - if we need to take Biggar off then something has gone wrong.

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:07 am

Ken Owens wtf? Australia by 20.

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:08 am

I have just notices, Scott Williams is not in the side either, is he injured again ?

by BamBam Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:08 am

LordDowlais wrote:I have just notices, Scott Williams is not in the side either, is he injured again ?

I guess North already covers centre, so better to have a back 3 replacement on the bench?

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

LordDowlais wrote:I have just notices, Scott Williams is not in the side either, is he injured again ?

Yupp

by chris_501 Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

munkian wrote:
True Raven wrote:You've got to be kidding me......Cuthbert!!!!!!!!!!

Not that surprising - Amos can cover wing and 15

Amos can cover 15 from being on the pitch if he was needed. Would rather have Scott Williams as an emergency winger than North as an emergency centre with Cuthbert on a wing!

Cuthbert has been well below the level of Amos and James this season.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Ken Owens wtf? Australia by 20.

The alternative ?

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

munkian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Sam Davies could get his first cap though.

Hope not - if we need to take Biggar off then something has gone wrong.

It will be more than likely because Biggar has had to move over a spot to cover center for what ever reason. Doh

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:10 am

chris_501 wrote:
munkian wrote:
True Raven wrote:You've got to be kidding me......Cuthbert!!!!!!!!!!

Not that surprising - Amos can cover wing and 15

Amos can cover 15 from being on the pitch if he was needed. Would rather have Scott Williams as an emergency winger than North as an emergency centre with Cuthbert on a wing!

Cuthbert has been well below the level of Amos and James this season.

Are people still thinking Gatland picks on form players ?

by LordDowlais Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:10 am

munkian wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Ken Owens wtf? Australia by 20.

The alternative ?

Sam Parry ?

Kristian Dacey ?

by **RiscaGame** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:10 am

munkian wrote:
True Raven wrote:You've got to be kidding me......Cuthbert!!!!!!!!!!

Not that surprising - Amos can cover wing and 15

Doesn't mean he has to be a bench option, just because of that.

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:12 am

munkian wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Ken Owens wtf? Australia by 20.

The alternative ?

Baldwin and Parry like I've been saying for months. So many off form players in this tea it's unreal. Aus by 20.

by True Raven Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:12 am

Team is a joke. Jenkins, Lydiate, JD2, cuthbert were last in form 2013. May as well have f****** Priestland on the bench

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:13 am

Baldwin is shoite, he got subbed against the Dragons ffs

Am I missing something or is Dacey really not all that ?

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:13 am

chris_501 wrote:
munkian wrote:
True Raven wrote:You've got to be kidding me......Cuthbert!!!!!!!!!!

Not that surprising - Amos can cover wing and 15

Amos can cover 15 from being on the pitch if he was needed. Would rather have Scott Williams as an emergency winger than North as an emergency centre with Cuthbert on a wing!

Cuthbert has been well below the level of Amos and James this season.

Spot on.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:15 am

True Raven wrote:Team is a joke. Jenkins, Lydiate, JD2, cuthbert were last in form 2013. May as well have f****** Priestland on the bench

Alternatives to Jenkins ? We have very few leaders on the pitch. And alternatives to JD2 ? King covers back row and lock - we aren't blessed with many other options atm

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:16 am

munkian wrote:Baldwin is shoite, he got subbed against the Dragons ffs

Am I missing something or is Dacey really not all that ?

Baldwin was the logical choice for me having been a regular starter and in slightly better form than Owens. The best hooker in Wales this season isn't even in the squad. Lenny and Larry have some good players at their disposal but they're about to fu*k everything up yet again.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:17 am

miaow wrote:Howley's looking more long term than Gatland tends to

So much for that! Another depressingly conservative selection from Gatland Jr.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:18 am

People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:22 am

munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Really? I suggest opening your eyes and you stop being Howley's No.1 fan boy because it's pathetic.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:27 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Really? I suggest opening your eyes and you stop being Howley's No.1 fan boy because it's pathetic.

Wow, such insight, its like you really know me. Jog on you pathetic little waste of oxygen.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:27 am

munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Yes they are:

chris_501 wrote:Amos can cover 15 from being on the pitch if he was needed. Would rather have Scott Williams as an emergency winger than North as an emergency centre with Cuthbert on a wing!

Cuthbert has been well below the level of Amos and James this season.

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:30 am

munkian wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Really? I suggest opening your eyes and you stop being Howley's No.1 fan boy because it's pathetic.

Wow, such insight, its like you really know me. Jog on you pathetic little waste of oxygen.

Here come the outbursts again because you struggle with basic comprehension and different opinions laughing

. People have suggested viable alternatives for weeks so I don't understand how you could miss it? That's why you're coming across as a fanboy.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:31 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Yes they are:

chris_501 wrote:Amos can cover 15 from being on the pitch if he was needed. Would rather have Scott Williams as an emergency winger than North as an emergency centre with Cuthbert on a wing!

Cuthbert has been well below the level of Amos and James this season.

Point taken but James isn't a test match quality player for me. Im pretty sure Amos got slated on here last time he played.

It was more the forwards I was referring to.

Mikey, seriously, don't you have some bus seats to sniff or something ?

by chris_501 Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:32 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Really? I suggest opening your eyes and you stop being Howley's No.1 fan boy because it's pathetic.

I have to agree with Munkian.

If people are moaning about Jenkins, in the absence of Evans, who starts? James? Gill? Smith?

If no Baldwin or Owens, who else? Parry?

If no Lydiate? King? Baker (at 8)?

If no JD2, who else? Morgan? Spratt? Allen?

The only real contentious one I have an issue with is Cuthbert as highlighted earlier.

I prefer to look at the positives, Lee is fit, important few matches for him, he is no longer a rookie.
Moriarty is in the back row, maybe he can be the real challenger for Faletau we have all wanted.
Webb has the opportunity to show he really is in the top 2 scrum halves in world rugby.
North and Roberts have been performing very well in the AP, one offensively, the other defensively.
Halfpenny back, can he refind the attacking verve that made him so special a few years ago.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:37 am

chris_501 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
munkian wrote:People still aren't suggesting viable alternatives.

Really? I suggest opening your eyes and you stop being Howley's No.1 fan boy because it's pathetic.

I have to agree with Munkian.

If people are moaning about Jenkins, in the absence of Evans, who starts? James? Gill? Smith?

If no Baldwin or Owens, who else? Parry?

If no Lydiate? King? Baker (at 8)?

If no JD2, who else? Morgan? Spratt? Allen?

The only real contentious one I have an issue with is Cuthbert as highlighted earlier.

I prefer to look at the positives, Lee is fit, important few matches for him, he is no longer a rookie.
Moriarty is in the back row, maybe he can be the real challenger for Faletau we have all wanted.
Webb has the opportunity to show he really is in the top 2 scrum halves in world rugby.
North and Roberts have been performing very well in the AP, one offensively, the other defensively.
Halfpenny back, can he refind the attacking verve that made him so special a few years ago.

Careful now Chris, the mouth breathers will fling their effluent at you if you use logic..

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:38 am

RiscaGame wrote:
munkian wrote:
True Raven wrote:You've got to be kidding me......Cuthbert!!!!!!!!!!

Not that surprising - Amos can cover wing and 15

Doesn't mean he has to be a bench option, just because of that.

Exactly. It's like they're rewarding Cuthbert for being less versatile (or punishing Amos for being able to cover full back).

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:39 am

Hookism - versatility is always punished LP

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:40 am

But Amos doesn't become less versatile by starting.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:42 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:But Amos doesn't become less versatile by starting.

True. Cuthbert has either 'impressed in training' or has pictures from the office party at the Vale.

by **RDW** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:08 pm

I'm going to have to lock this thread and tidy it up due to all the bickering. I'm not going to trawl through the thread to find out who started it and whose dad could beat up the other dads but I'll wipe the slate clean once I re-open it again. Any further bickering and we'll have to look at dishing out bans. A few reminders:

If you don't like what someone says then try and discuss it in a non-confrontational way

Calling up someone for wumming is as disruptive as wumming itself and is the downfall for a lot of threads - if you think someone is wumming just ignore them (ideally) or report them

Thanks!

by **RDW** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:14 pm

OK the thread is now open again, and it would be nice if all my hard work is not undone by people pleading their innocence or trying to blame other people.

As I said - clean slate, start again, rugby chat please...

by **RiscaGame** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:22 pm

So Cuthbert is really good then Wink

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:25 pm

The best thing about Cuthbert is that he's not just a finisher. He's got great feet and he can create something out of nothing.

Really nice guy off the pitch, too. heart

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:27 pm

Disagreements about the team selection aside - Folau at Centre could be interesting with Doc/JD2 and possibly North running at him.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:31 pm

You never know, we might do something totally off the wall and use them as decoys! Shocked

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:35 pm

Aus Tim

Scott Sio, Stephen Moore (c), Sekope Kepu,Rory Arnold, Adam Coleman, David Pocock, Michael Hooper, Lopeti Timani, Nick Phipps, Bernard Foley, Henry Speight, Reece Hodge, Tevita Kuridrani, Dane Haylett-Petty, Israel Folau

Folau at 15 then

by mikey_dragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:37 pm

Back to Kuridrani and Folau running between Cuthbert and JD2 then. Tries will be scored.

by **RiscaGame** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:39 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:The best thing about Cuthbert is that he's not just a finisher. He's got great feet and he can create something out of nothing.

Really nice guy off the pitch, too.

by BamBam Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:47 pm

Using Pocock at 6 and getting a proper 8 could be interesting .. see how they go without Fardy doing the dirty work for Hooper

by chris_501 Thu 03 Nov 2016, 2:35 pm

Going to be a big old smash up in midfield! None of those guys are small!

by wayne Thu 03 Nov 2016, 2:53 pm

munkian wrote:Baldwin is shoite, he got subbed against the Dragons ffs

Am I missing something or is Dacey really not all that ?

Munkian he and Lydiate were subbed at about the same time, probably on Howleys insistence. IMO he had a pretty good game and did all what was asked of him and Howley only wanted that pair on the pitch for 50 to 60 minutes. That was why he was subbed.

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:03 pm

Yeah in hindsight that seems the likely reason but hes still never impressed me in a Welsh shirt.

by Guest Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

Depressingly familiar backline from 11-15. Looking for big games from Roberts and Halfpenny in their less than stellar areas, i.e. everything other than running into contact and goalkicking respectively.

Also tests for Cuthbert (is there really no one better!?), Lydiate, and Jon Davies to put to bed some indifferent form over the last few years. Big Test series for those three.

Looking forward to Sam Davies getting a run out, even if it's just two minutes. More than likely to see siginificant game time in the two games after that, particularly Japan (less physical than the other 3 teams). Hope he does himself justice, he's a fine player in the making.

by GavinDragon Thu 03 Nov 2016, 4:09 pm

To be honest, I would have been concerned about this game no matter who we picked.

The Aussies have been playing the best team in the world in a competition that is of the highest intensity, our boys have been playing in the pro12.

Actually think a return to Warrenball will suit this game. Try and gain dominance in the front 5 (no easy task), put them under pressure and pin them back in their own 22. Win collisions, take points and be clinical when it is on.

Basically, win contact, execute skills and take points when presented. Easy this rugby malark!

by munkian Thu 03 Nov 2016, 4:16 pm

Yeah, we will be distinctly undercooked whilst they are a much better team now than the one England beat earlier in the year.

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