Political round up.............

by **superflyweight** Tue 21 Nov 2017, 8:01 pm

First topic message reminder :

LionsV2 wrote:
Galted wrote:

As much as I agree with you that much of the reason for the Leave vote was the racism and pig-ignorance of the likes of Lionsv2 and old people, I'm not sure the questions you're asking are particularly relevant. I'd quite like a cut in local crime but couldn't name a single local criminal.

I beg your pardon?

No doubt the mods will do nothing about that.

He said you were “PIG IGNORANT”. I’ve heard of hard of hearing before but not hard of reading.

by lostinwales Wed 11 Apr 2018, 12:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:Haven't voted UKIP since...2015?

Let me guess - you have moved to the right and now vote Conservative?

by Duty281 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 1:12 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Haven't voted UKIP since...2015?

Let me guess - you have moved to the right and now vote Conservative?

Good god, no, would never vote Conservative.

by Duty281 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 8:39 pm

On "UK military action in response to the alleged chemical attack in Syria":

Support: 36%
Oppose: 37%

via @SkyData, 11 Apr

Turns into 28% (support) to 48% (oppose) if it results in conflict with Russia.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:20 pm

Not surprised at that.
Laughable, but not surprising for several reasons, the change if it results in a tiff with Russia. Let's allow them to get away with whatever they like then! Sorted.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:22 pm

Duty has dutifully posted it..

by **Pr4wn** Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:23 pm

Think this is a case of once bitten, twice shy from the UK public when it comes to military intervention.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 12 Apr 2018, 9:23 am

When Govts struggle at home they look abroad..

by lostinwales Fri 13 Apr 2018, 1:46 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Not surprised at that.
Laughable, but not surprising for several reasons, the change if it results in a tiff with Russia. Let's allow them to get away with whatever they like then! Sorted.

I know. It is a crap situation.

It's like the problem in Syria being how many dead children do you have to see before we decide we have to do something. The bigger problem is then what the 'something' is and how much our wonderful government will mess it up

by CaledonianCraig Fri 13 Apr 2018, 8:56 pm

Sorry but in my opinion this all got out of hand as soon as the super powers tried using their influence in places it should keep their noses out of. For far too long they have been playing the moral policemen of the world in countries thousands of miles from their own. The result is the situation we have now.

by Ent Fri 13 Apr 2018, 10:23 pm

Your grasp of the situation in Syria is as good as local politics I see there Craig.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 13 Apr 2018, 11:15 pm

All I know is that what comes out of military action in the Middle East? Nothing. Haven't we learnt that from the countless wars in that area and countless bombing regimes. All that comes from it is more incriminations and more deaths although this time we are flirting with armageddon.

by Ent Fri 13 Apr 2018, 11:21 pm

From your spelling I'll assume you are on the sauce and leave it there.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 13 Apr 2018, 11:55 pm

Ent wrote:From your spelling I'll assume you are on the sauce and leave it there.

No it is a matter of me typing on a mobile. Not on the sauce unfortunately.

by Ent Sat 14 Apr 2018, 12:31 am

Autocorrect lad.

by Duty281 Sun 15 Apr 2018, 1:14 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Nick Griffin on the cusp of voting Labour.
Which means?

Political round up............. - Page 10 C93a6710

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 15 Apr 2018, 7:22 am

Yougov
Con 40
Lab 40

Op
Con 40
Lab 40

Surv
Con 40
Lab 40

Cores
Con 40
Lab 41

by lostinwales Sun 15 Apr 2018, 6:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yougov
Con 40
Lab 40

Op
Con 40
Lab 40

Surv
Con 40
Lab 40

Cores
Con 40
Lab 41

Yep - Labour party membership may be growing but its making few inroads into the greater public despite being up against the worst, most mendacious and corrupt government in our history

by Ent Sun 15 Apr 2018, 8:51 pm

Do you really think the government is corrupt?

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 15 Apr 2018, 9:05 pm

lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yougov
Con 40
Lab 40

Op
Con 40
Lab 40

Surv
Con 40
Lab 40

Cores
Con 40
Lab 41

Yep - Labour party membership may be growing but its making few inroads into the greater public despite being up against the worst, most mendacious and corrupt government in our history

Good polls for Labour....Corbyn has been called an Anti-Semite..A Russian appeaser and a racist continually for two weeks and Labour are still neck and neck..

by lostinwales Sun 15 Apr 2018, 9:52 pm

Ent wrote:Do you really think the government is corrupt?

I think there are different levels of corruption but right now there is an attitude that anything goes because May won't do anything. Because of that it's easy for things like awarding contracts linked to friends and relatives etc to happen. I don't buy into the consiparcy theories but try to keep an open mind, because the current situation is just not normal.

by Ent Sun 15 Apr 2018, 11:01 pm

Jobs for the boys has always happened, not sure it is more prevalent now.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 16 Apr 2018, 1:17 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yougov
Con 40
Lab 40

Op
Con 40
Lab 40

Surv
Con 40
Lab 40

Cores
Con 40
Lab 41

Yep - Labour party membership may be growing but its making few inroads into the greater public despite being up against the worst, most mendacious and corrupt government in our history

Good polls for Labour....Corbyn has been called an Anti-Semite..A Russian appeaser and a racist continually for two weeks and Labour are still neck and neck..

Think it just reflects the polarised positions now. Bit like Trump - attack Corbyn more, simply entrench his support more. Still think Labour are at high water - nothing they're saying is enticing any middle ground floaters, let alone any right wing voters. Some way to go, but could easily believe there'll a minority Government next time as well.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 16 Apr 2018, 2:44 pm

Ent wrote:Autocorrect lad.

Any reason you're being such a phallus? Why don't you chill out, hmmm?

by Ent Mon 16 Apr 2018, 3:35 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
Ent wrote:Autocorrect lad.

Any reason you're being such a phallus? Why don't you chill out, hmmm?

Think you are the one being a phallus, good work.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 16 Apr 2018, 3:54 pm

Not at all mate. Play the ball, not the man. There's no need to be so aggressive without actually addressing Craig's arguments.

by Ent Mon 16 Apr 2018, 3:57 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Not at all mate. Play the ball, not the man. There's no need to be so aggressive without actually addressing Craig's arguments.

See the other thread on the situation.

His uncharacteristically poor spelling led me to believe he was inebriated and I offered him a solution to errors on a mobile device.

3 days later you weigh in calling people phalluses.

Like I said good work.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 16 Apr 2018, 4:44 pm

Ent wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Not at all mate. Play the ball, not the man. There's no need to be so aggressive without actually addressing Craig's arguments.

See the other thread on the situation.

His uncharacteristically poor spelling led me to believe he was inebriated and I offered him a solution to errors on a mobile device.

3 days later you weigh in calling people phalluses.

Like I said good work.

That's not what you were doing and you know it. Stop it.

That's the end of the matter.

by Ent Mon 16 Apr 2018, 6:38 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
Ent wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Not at all mate. Play the ball, not the man. There's no need to be so aggressive without actually addressing Craig's arguments.

See the other thread on the situation.

His uncharacteristically poor spelling led me to believe he was inebriated and I offered him a solution to errors on a mobile device.

3 days later you weigh in calling people phalluses.

Like I said good work.

That's not what you were doing and you know it. Stop it.

That's the end of the matter.

Surely you could be using your mind reading powers for good rather than moderating a forum.

Hard to believe that circa midnight on a Friday a horrendously constructed post might be from someone having a few jars but I did, shocking (I was having a few jars and autocorrect was fixing my spelling...)

by **Pr4wn** Mon 16 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm

You were playing the man, and not the ball, as I said earlier. You never actually engaged Craig on any of his arguments, you just insinuated that he was sloshed.

Engage the arguments, please. Thank you.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Apr 2018, 9:22 pm

This Windrush saga is a disgrace..

Interesting that the story broke in a big way yesterday..

76,000 people registered to vote yesterday too..

Interesting coincidence..

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Apr 2018, 9:24 am

It's certainly a mess, and something that should have been cleared up an age ago.

by guildfordbat Wed 18 Apr 2018, 1:39 pm

How has this shameful Windrush fiasco suddenly - it seems - just appeared? Have I been sleeping or has it hit the headlines from almost nowhere?

A disgraceful weasel worded apology in the modern way from May in Parliament to ''those who have mistakenly received letters''. That doesn't go any way to addressing the uncertainty and worry of a person who has received such a letter as to whether it was sent mistakenly and can be put in the bin or whether it was sent intentionally and still applies.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 18 Apr 2018, 1:45 pm

Also apparently almost 50 people have actually been deported through this horrendous oversight b the Home Office stemming from a few years ago. I wonder who was in charge of that department then? Whistle

by Samo Wed 18 Apr 2018, 4:01 pm

Just as its coming out that Mays husband is an executive of an investment company that owns atleast 10% of the company that built the missiles we dropped on Syria. No surprise the companies share prices rocketed afterwards.

Surely thats a conflict of interest? Put that with the Windrush saga, Brexit, the Skripal poisoning and the damage still being felt since she was Home Sec. she has to go down as the worst PM is history.

And yet people still vote for her and her party. Corbyn isnt perfect but he’s surely better than this.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 18 Apr 2018, 4:30 pm

Samo wrote:Just as its coming out that Mays husband is an executive of an investment company that owns atleast 10% of the company that built the missiles we dropped on Syria. No surprise the companies share prices rocketed afterwards.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Apr 2018, 5:03 pm

Let's all go wayyyyyy OTT with this. Oh, some already have.

Yes, this Windrush thing is a mess, but to blame it all on May is pathetic in the extreme. It's how many years, exactly, since Empire Windrush got here? Ah, 70 years. May was in Government then was she?

As to these documents that were trashed, if all they do is log someone's arrival, they're hardly going to help beyond that are they. Certainly, they aren't going to inform as to whether someone has indefinite leave to remain.

This is as much a fault of the current Government as any other political party going back to the arrival of these people. Tories, Labour, Liberals, SDP, SNP etc.

The important thing is to sort it out now, with sensitivity etc. Stop hyperventilating.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 18 Apr 2018, 5:26 pm

navyblueshorts wrote: Let's all go wayyyyyy OTT with this. Oh, some already have.

Yes, this Windrush thing is a mess, but to blame it all on May is pathetic in the extreme. It's how many years, exactly, since Empire Windrush got here? Ah, 70 years. May was in Government then was she?

As to these documents that were trashed, if all they do is log someone's arrival, they're hardly going to help beyond that are they. Certainly, they aren't going to inform as to whether someone has indefinite leave to remain.

This is as much a fault of the current Government as any other political party going back to the arrival of these people. Tories, Labour, Liberals, SDP, SNP etc.

The important thing is to sort it out now, with sensitivity etc. Stop hyperventilating.

Well May was Home Secretary when the government began telling people they had to leave the UK if they couldn't prove they were here legally - that was people who arrived on the Windrush. Evidently, almost 50 cases have seen people deported that arrived on the Windrush. It was May who was Home Secretary at that time so it happened on her watch. She and the government she worked for were the ones that opened the can of worms and instead of bothering to find out where the people came from etc they were actively moving to deport people - regardless of the legality.

by guildfordbat Wed 18 Apr 2018, 6:04 pm

navyblueshorts wrote: Let's all go wayyyyyy OTT with this. Oh, some already have.

Yes, this Windrush thing is a mess, but to blame it all on May is pathetic in the extreme. It's how many years, exactly, since Empire Windrush got here? Ah, 70 years. May was in Government then was she?

As to these documents that were trashed, if all they do is log someone's arrival, they're hardly going to help beyond that are they. Certainly, they aren't going to inform as to whether someone has indefinite leave to remain.

This is as much a fault of the current Government as any other political party going back to the arrival of these people. Tories, Labour, Liberals, SDP, SNP etc.

The important thing is to sort it out now, with sensitivity etc. Stop hyperventilating.

Surely the main issue and where the real fault lies is with the current Government evicting or threatening to evict people without a clearly shown reason for doing so. Unless I've missed it in the past, that's what is so new now and concerning.

The important thing in your penultimate sentence is correct, albeit obvious.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 18 Apr 2018, 6:32 pm

navyblueshorts wrote: Let's all go wayyyyyy OTT with this. Oh, some already have.

This is as much a fault of the current Government as any other political party going back to the arrival of these people. Tories, Labour, Liberals, SDP, SNP etc.

I have to disagree. The Tories, Labour and Liberal I give you but SDP were formed in the early 1980s long after SS Windrush arrived on these shores in 1948 and the SNP was formed in 1934 and had their first MP elected to Westminster in 1945 so not sure what blame he should have laid at his door. The ones foremost to blame are the ones who started up this tirade to out 'illegal' immigrants but led to legal immigrants being asked to leave the UK and that was the Tories. May is trying to shift blame to Labour for destroying their cards but won't wash as they never did the act of ordering innocent people to leave.

by guildfordbat Wed 18 Apr 2018, 6:52 pm

Bl**dy hell, Craig - I think we're agreeing on this! Wink

by CaledonianCraig Wed 18 Apr 2018, 7:01 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Bl**dy hell, Craig - I think we're agreeing on this!

I do think we are.

It is clear cut though - to me. It was a Tory government who began this tirade against illegal immigrants (nobody else) and they did not care (or check) who they were ordering to leave. Clueless and heartless.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 18 Apr 2018, 7:55 pm

David Lammy mp is going big on May misleading the house..

Not sure Amber Rudd is going to survive..

I'm sure May will..

by **ShahenshahG** Wed 18 Apr 2018, 8:30 pm

May deported 48000 indian students if I remember correctly. Because some of them were cheating and she thought it widespread. Turns out she had no evidence that it was widespread and she ended up deporting thousands of innocent students. What a nut.

by **ShahenshahG** Wed 18 Apr 2018, 10:08 pm

Hunt bought 6 flats from a Tory Donor according to the guardian at a massive discount.

by Duty281 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 11:58 pm

Tories up by 43-38 versus Labour, in the latest YouGov poll.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 21 Apr 2018, 7:04 am

Interesting poll....

But worrying for Labour..

Interesting to see if Windrush is good or bad for the Tories.

Racism helped Brexiteers win....A lot of naive...retarded types do tend to blame immigrants for everything..

Soon see if it is an outlier.

by CaledonianCraig Sat 21 Apr 2018, 7:52 am

The question is when was this poll done? My guess would be around the anti-Semetic row time and prior to the bombing and Windrush scandal. If that is the case then I suggest waiting for the next poll to see how things lie.

by Ent Sat 21 Apr 2018, 8:51 am

Local election results will be more interesting than poll results.

by Duty281 Sat 21 Apr 2018, 10:24 am

Ent wrote:Local election results will be more interesting than poll results.

Should be Labour dominance in those, no matter what.

8 years of Tory government + protest vote + low turnout + being held in mainly Labour-friendly areas which, with the collapse of UKIP, have little opposition = an easy day in May.

by Ent Sat 21 Apr 2018, 10:27 am

Which is why it will be interesting if they don't poll well.

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