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The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub
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Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.
The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the collage of pub regulars. We've got the big group pic from the HEC final in Cardiff, plus insets of ll those who couldn't make it
So pull up a chair....what'll it be?
Hen dafarn/Old pub: https://www.606v2.com/t15642p1000-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub#576037
Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.
The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the collage of pub regulars. We've got the big group pic from the HEC final in Cardiff, plus insets of ll those who couldn't make it
So pull up a chair....what'll it be?
Hen dafarn/Old pub: https://www.606v2.com/t15642p1000-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub#576037
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Why does it annoy you as i see it it has only benefits. Any fool could learn the laws. Reffing is about management
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Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
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I think they have an attitude that they can speak their own language. Whats your second language? Would you like to be interviewed on national TV in it? Hmm.
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Cymroglan wrote:Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
Unless they're French
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English and yes I would have no problem being interviewed in it .
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Notch wrote:Cymroglan wrote:Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
Unless they're French
Or unable to understand French
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Or unable to understand English. We could do this all day.
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This is a pipe dream not practical in the global game. It is easily remedied. Ref simply says to other team Ive warned themCymroglan wrote:Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
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Afternoon everyone.
I have no voice, a throat like sandpaper aand I'm knackered. But it was worth it Hope I can get up tomorrow for the other semi.
Prop - well done on the six quid. Drinks on you then!
I don't think France win the tournament altogether.
I have no voice, a throat like sandpaper aand I'm knackered. But it was worth it Hope I can get up tomorrow for the other semi.
Prop - well done on the six quid. Drinks on you then!
I don't think France win the tournament altogether.
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red_stag wrote:This is a pipe dream not practical in the global game. It is easily remedied. Ref simply says to other team Ive warned themCymroglan wrote:Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
So Rolland can speak French with the French players but English with other teams even if it's not their first language.
I don't agree with that.
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red_stag wrote:Why bring it up if not questioing his mindset?
It had already been brought up. I have to be as clear as I can here.
I do not believe that Rolland was being biased when showing the red card.
But I can see why some people may think so because there is a link between Rolland and France. While there is a small pool of quality refs to choose from I firmly believe these allegations can be avoided, and I feel very sorry for Rolland (Owens and others) that their integrity can be called into question when it can be avoided.
I don't mean any offence and I'm sorry if I've caused any.
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Cymro if a ref speaks that language he should use that as a management tool. If not then English.
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Cymroglan wrote:red_stag wrote:This is a pipe dream not practical in the global game. It is easily remedied. Ref simply says to other team Ive warned themCymroglan wrote:Because both sides needs to know what is being said.
So Rolland can speak French with the French players but English with other teams even if it's not their first language.
I don't agree with that.
Well, if he spoke other languages he could. I can't see how France derive an advantage from that anymore than all the English speaking sides have an in-built advantage with the majority of referees..
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Just out of genuine interest, are there any Irish speaking refs? I don't suppose they use it much, but I just wondered.
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I don't know. I don't know if enough of our players speak Irish for it to be worthwhile though. I know a few do and most from the South at least have a little bit of Irish from school, but for most of the national squad and the provinces English is the first language.
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I think ALL top NH refs should have 3 languages - proficient enough in rugby terms. English, French and Italian.
Its not much to ask.
Its not much to ask.
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No, it's not. I think Spanish could be added to that as well.
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Ref Mic should the touch judges need to know everything that the ref has said ?
I think that would be very important if the three of them are going to be on the same wavelength.
I think that would be very important if the three of them are going to be on the same wavelength.
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All NH refs should speak English, French, Italian, Irish and Welsh...not much to ask
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Mr G I'm gutted just as you were last week but there are people far worse off than us.
I'm off on holiday tomorrow back next Saturday.
I'm off on holiday tomorrow back next Saturday.
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Gibson wrote:I think ALL top NH refs should have 3 languages - proficient enough in rugby terms. English, French and Italian.
Its not much to ask.
Hey Gibbo.. long time no see...
I agree, but I also see no reason why players (particularly captains) cannot improve their language skills, particularly with the way professionalism is taking players around the globe. So many advantages to be had, understanding your own team mates and the officials being 2, never mind the cultural benefits!
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Just watched the game in time lapse.
I'm not Welsh and have never even been to Wales but even I feel so proud of the preformance of that team.
To lose by only 1 point in a RWC semi final while playing one man down for 62 mins is an outstanding acheivement.
On the card thing, I can see why it was Red but it just seems out of keeping with the way other matches have been handled.
On the other hand, how weak were France to only win by 1 point against 14 men for 62 mins?
I'm not Welsh and have never even been to Wales but even I feel so proud of the preformance of that team.
To lose by only 1 point in a RWC semi final while playing one man down for 62 mins is an outstanding acheivement.
On the card thing, I can see why it was Red but it just seems out of keeping with the way other matches have been handled.
On the other hand, how weak were France to only win by 1 point against 14 men for 62 mins?
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France will be crushed in the final. Wales would have been more competitive in the final
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To be fair, other tackles like that have gotten citings and suspensions after the fact in this tournament so far. But this is the first red.
Inconsistency and interpretation remains an issue for teams. What I found amazing is how few fans and even former players were up to date on the actual laws and directives regarding this.
Inconsistency and interpretation remains an issue for teams. What I found amazing is how few fans and even former players were up to date on the actual laws and directives regarding this.
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Very true Cymro mate. I think you should be really proud of your boys. Best rugby team in the NH, imo. A team that will only get better, based on that run.. So young. So talented. And now, so much more experienced.
Enjoy your break fy ffrind /mo chara/ mes amis/ mijn vriend /mi amigo/ my friend.
Enjoy your break fy ffrind /mo chara/ mes amis/ mijn vriend /mi amigo/ my friend.
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Have a great holiday Cymro.
Obviously I have only seen and heard the commentary on WRC matches on ITV and RTE so I don't know it other commentators acted in a similar fashion but, does anyone else think that commentators need to behave in a more responsible fashion?
Is it really that long ago when they would stop way short of criticising the ref?
I actually think this is hastening the decline in attitudes towards the refs by spectators. And in turn may be contributing to the kind of abuse that has been hurled at some refs in this tournament.
Obviously I have only seen and heard the commentary on WRC matches on ITV and RTE so I don't know it other commentators acted in a similar fashion but, does anyone else think that commentators need to behave in a more responsible fashion?
Is it really that long ago when they would stop way short of criticising the ref?
I actually think this is hastening the decline in attitudes towards the refs by spectators. And in turn may be contributing to the kind of abuse that has been hurled at some refs in this tournament.
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Yeah ITV were completely disgraceful in their coverage. It was very annoying. I had to turn off the TV at the end. According to other posters in here the commentators on RTE and S4C conceded it was a red card.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
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Thanks MrsP we are only going as far as the Lake Districts for a walking holiday we rented a cottage up there.
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Why shouldn't France conduct their press conference in French?? It's only right that they do. Just as this man says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUmW_Mf5qc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUmW_Mf5qc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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hughie1986 wrote:Why shouldn't France conduct their press conference in French?? It's only right that they do. Just as this man says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUmW_Mf5qc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And in New Zealand
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Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:Gibson wrote:I think ALL top NH refs should have 3 languages - proficient enough in rugby terms. English, French and Italian.
Its not much to ask.
Hey Gibbo.. long time no see...
I agree, but I also see no reason why players (particularly captains) cannot improve their language skills, particularly with the way professionalism is taking players around the globe. So many advantages to be had, understanding your own team mates and the officials being 2, never mind the cultural benefits!
Howya RDS. Great to see you again pal.
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When you next over in Ireland Gibbo ?
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Are people seriously suggesting that Rolland should speak in English to the French team? Having a second language is a great asset to have for referees. It is a riduclous statement.
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Yes Thomond English should be the official language of the rugby world cup.
When the day comes that we have refs that speak several languages then and only then should other languages be used.
The ref needs to be in constant contact with his touch judges via Ref Mic they need to know what is said at all times.
When the day comes that we have refs that speak several languages then and only then should other languages be used.
The ref needs to be in constant contact with his touch judges via Ref Mic they need to know what is said at all times.
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Why do the assistants need to know. Ideally I would have all rugby English too but with key terms that referees may only use. Colloqialisms should have no part
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Cymroglan wrote:When you next over in Ireland Gibbo ?
I'll be over to see the Mam soon, Cymro. Early Nov. Not going to any of the home Leinster HC games this year. 1st time in 5 or 6 years I will miss even one. Home or away.
Going to Bath for the Big Meet though. You around for that weekend mate? Scarlets game?
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Yes I'm going on the Scarlets trip not sure about the Bristol one though.
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Didn't see the game so can't comment on any of the talking points. I feel for Wales but I people don't forget how well they've played in this competition and how bright the future looks.
Played a match this morning. We got hammered but I was playing out of position at left back and thought I did well.
Played a match this morning. We got hammered but I was playing out of position at left back and thought I did well.
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If refs spoke Spanish,Italian or other I doubt people would mind them refereeing games involving those teams. It could help them understand what they're doing wrong a lot better.
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Cymroglan wrote:Yes Thomond English should be the official language of the rugby world cup.
When the day comes that we have refs that speak several languages then and only then should other languages be used.
The ref needs to be in constant contact with his touch judges via Ref Mic they need to know what is said at all times.
I agree that all the officials need to communicate effectively, but the same can be said for communication between ref and players.
I think the onus should be on Captains in particular to have multi lingual knowledge, it is in their interest after all.
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English is (ironically) the lingua franca of most international sports. Football must be far and away the most difficult to get it right. How do they do it?
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Take you up on that Stag
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Do indeed. I have to say Im surprised people havent mentioned Rollands handling of the scrum. I thought he was poor here.
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I don't think I'll make it to Llanelli for the meet. Got something else that weekend.
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red_stag wrote:Do indeed. I have to say Im surprised people havent mentioned Rollands handling of the scrum. I thought he was poor here.
The scrum has reffed pretty poorly throughout the RWC - SH feeds, Flankers detached. etc.
But on the plus side - the back foot law has generally been applied a lot better.
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No I'm not.
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My views on the correctness or otherwise of the red card remain unchanged, so I'd ask folk not to comment in that vein. My question is to do with refereeing consistency - a number of commentators have suggested that the red today should not have happened cos it spoiled the game as a spectacle, or cos it was a semi-final, or cos Warburton has an excellent disciplinary record. All daft comments, imo. Much like trying to suggest that a game towards the back end of a season between two title contenders somehow deserves a better standard of officiating that a meaningless one in the depths of winter between two sides in the lower half of the table. But equally most referees seem to control the game entirely differently when close to the try line versus anywhere else on the pitch and also offer an alternative interpretation of the rules if the game is in the last 5 mins compared to the previous 75mins. How should this sort of inconsistency be handled?
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