India v England 3rd ODI Debate.

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England win the toss and bat, in a must win game, after two big win's for India.
Both teams unchanged.

Good last over (15 runs), better from England, game on now. 299 for India to chase.

Patel picks the slower ball and absolutely marmalises it over long-on. 298 final score, now over to the bowlers...

Trott hits 98 not out from 116, prefectly good SR, and held the innings together, and yet he still gets stick. He did his job perfectly at the end by making sure Patel had the bulk of the strike, and it cost him his hundred. Selfless knock for me...

298 is a decent score, nothing more. should've been 330-350. pitch is flat and outfield is rapid.

Well batted England. Good ODI innings. One playter bats through and others like Kieswetter, KP and Fat Sam chip in around him. Really was a great knock fro Samit today. Not seen that for England by him before, fair play.

Not enough though. India to be in trouble but Dhoni and Raina get them over the line is my prediction.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Trott hits 98 not out from 116, prefectly good SR, and held the innings together, and yet he still gets stick. He did his job perfectly at the end by making sure Patel had the bulk of the strike, and it cost him his hundred. Selfless knock for me...

if ab, tendulkar, amla etc would've played 116 ball, they would've been at better than 100 runs per 100 balls

average first innings score on this ground in DN matches is 253...

Mad for Chelsea wrote:average first innings score on this ground in DN matches is 253...

international matches aren't normally played at mohali in october....

who is going to play the anchor role for india today then?

Sorry, but for Trott to bat for 47 overs, to not get 100, and to only get 2 boun daries in final 11 overs, that is why Trott gets stick.

He was on 72 at the 40th over mark, to not get to 100, was poor.

He could be SO much better.

Please do not take me the wrong way, i think he is a fine batsmen, he just frustates at times.

cricketfan90 wrote:who is going to play the anchor role for india today then?

gambhir or kohli?

Great stuff by fatman, it wasn't pretty but it was effective!

When Trott plays through its fine although he did take forever to get going.

you'd think Gambhir would play the anchor for India. Swann will be key, he looked flat the other day, but hopefully with runs to play with he'll be more of a threat. Also need to get early wickets, as the pitch will help the bowlers for the first ten overs or so. Bres and Finny, over to you!

good signs for us, that we have put a competitve score on the board.

There was heavy dew on the outfield last night, if the same this evening, plenty of ball wiping, we saw how Swann handled that in the World Cup. Early wickets is a must.

trouble with Trott, and I'll say this as one of his biggest supporters, is that when he does only make 20-30 he tends to waste a fair few deliveries in getting there. However, criticising today's knock is wrong IMO, the only reason he didn't get to a hundred is because he thought giving the strike to Samit was the better option, and so it was.

For the first time in the series, England has put up a fight, at least with the bat as of now. 298 is a pretty decent total, but not impossible from an Indian point to chase down.

Bst thing I like aout the England innings, Kevin Pietersen scoring 64. Haven't heard from Gregers for some time now??
Don't entirely agree with ome of te views on KP LBW though. When Graeme Swann gets frontfoot LBWs in plenty, I have seen England supporters, and lovers of spin bowling hailing the umpires. I guess consistency should be the name of the game.
The Cook call, there is a case to consider the high point of impact, altough at the end of the day, I think it was a a 50-50 call whent in India's favor.
Trott, scoring 98 is an achievement, but the lack of big runs at the end still is a matter of concern. He has to further develop his ODI game.

bold move to give the first over to Finn

And not so good a move from India not to have Gambhir opening.

it's not the principle of the front foot LBW I'm against msp, more the fact it hit KP - a tall man - on the roll, when he got a big stride in. To my mind that's too high. Cook's was high too, hit him above the roll (and he's a tall chappie too). None of them were howlers though, but for me they were both missing.

If India chase this, it would be the second highest ever run chase in an ODI at Mohali...

Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's not the principle of the front foot LBW I'm against msp, more the fact it hit KP - a tall man - on the roll, when he got a big stride in. To my mind that's too high. Cook's was high too, hit him above the roll (and he's a tall chappie too). None of them were howlers though, but for me they were both missing.

when tendulkar was given lbw at the oval, did you think it was not not? i doubt it

Issac Watson wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's not the principle of the front foot LBW I'm against msp, more the fact it hit KP - a tall man - on the roll, when he got a big stride in. To my mind that's too high. Cook's was high too, hit him above the roll (and he's a tall chappie too). None of them were howlers though, but for me they were both missing.

when tendulkar was given lbw at the oval, did you think it was not not? i doubt it

Tendulkar's a lot shorter than KP, thus his stride is less, thus a ball hitting him on the roll has considerably more chance of hitting the stumps

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

Issac Watson wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's not the principle of the front foot LBW I'm against msp, more the fact it hit KP - a tall man - on the roll, when he got a big stride in. To my mind that's too high. Cook's was high too, hit him above the roll (and he's a tall chappie too). None of them were howlers though, but for me they were both missing.

when tendulkar was given lbw at the oval, did you think it was not not? i doubt it

Tendulkar's a lot shorter than KP, thus his stride is less, thus a ball hitting him on the roll has considerably more chance of hitting the stumps

it would've clipped the stumps. pietersen was stone dead

wonder if Rahane wouldn't be a better bet in the middle-order? Excellent player, but his footwork isn't the best around off stump.

Finn starting well, but Bresnan still looks exhausted.

english bowlers lack the skill needed in the sub

I think both Cook and KP wouldn't have been saved by the DRS. the onfield call was out, and there was nothing clear to change that.

msp83 wrote:I think both Cook and KP wouldn't have been saved by the DRS. the onfield call was out, and there was nothing clear to change that.

we may have to agree to disagree on that one then, for me the ball would have bounced over on both...

Mad for Chelsea wrote:wonder if Rahane wouldn't be a better bet in the middle-order? Excellent player, but his footwork isn't the best around off stump.

Feel it would have been better to have Gambhir opening and Rahane coming in at 3.
And if Parthiv Patel doesn't get a good score today, think its time for Manoj Tiwary to get a game.

KP decision seemed a bit harsh to me. It may well have clipped the stump, but he was far enough forward that the decision had to have an element of guesswork about it.
Not to worry , 298 is enough if the bowlers/fielders do their jobs.

India may chase this down ,but I'd be disappointed if they do so on England errors. If someone plays a blinder , so be it...

great work from Finny there at third man, Patel well too late on a pull, edges over the slips but Finn somehow gallops round and keeps it in, really fine effort

Finn's had a nice start, but Bresnan needs to get his act together.

Hmm Rahane not a million miles away from being caught at third man there, but Bresnan makes a mess of it. He looks a bit tired to me (Bres) but our other two seamers can't bat, so doubt we'll see him left out.

yep, early change, Dernbach on for Bres

surely there is someone better than dernbach? he's shockingly bad

and not a great start from Dernbach, England desperately need a wicket here

Rahane at times reminds me of a young Rahul Dravid in ODI cricket. Full of class, and has got the shots. But at times struggles to pick the gap, and hyper when not getting quick runs all the time.
Think he'll have to learn things the hard way. The team management could have helped a bit by letting him bat 3, rather than at the top where he has to set the pace right away.

Dernbach, IMO is not a good death bowler, come to think of it the middle and start as well. Maybe in time and with experience he could be.

England may be better of bringing Swann on early. As the evening goes on, the outfield might end up being quite wet.

msp83 wrote:Rahane at times reminds me of a young Rahul Dravid in ODI cricket. Full of class, and has got the shots. But at times struggles to pick the gap, and hyper when not getting quick runs all the time.
Think he'll have to learn things the hard way. The team management could have helped a bit by letting him bat 3, rather than at the top where he has to set the pace right away.

msp i think rahane is opening, as he does the same job for mumbai. secondly it seems clear that fletcher/doni want gambhir to stay at 3, as that's where he bats when sehwag and sachin are playing.

Rahane's uppercut gets him into trouble again, but lands just short of Bresnan. Finn has been pretty unlucky again today

Since India haven't got a Sehwagian start, they should be positive against Swann. No need to be reckless, but positive.

Rahane hasn't been Mumbai's regular opener. Sahul Kukreja and Wasim Jaffer are the ones.

last season in the limited overs stuff he opened.

do England really not have any seamers who can bowl line and length. I mean, yes Dernbach's slower ones are great, but his basic stock ball isn't good enough yet, he sprays it about too much. India cruising already, England need some inspiration

fatel's bowling is nothing more thanthrow downs. why does swann never come on early?

Patel into the attack, five easy singles.

England 41-1 after 10, India 57-0 at the same time.
England needing a couple of quick wickets. That can change the game very quickly indeed. India have to be careful, needen't get ahead of themselves.

Powerplay done, and England straight away go for spin. But its not Swann, its Samit Patel. Perhaps Cook likes the look of Patel to Patel!.