Scotland v England Match Thread, Teams etc....

[HERSH]

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Scotland:

15 Rory Lamont,
14 Lee Jones,
13 Nick De Luca,
12 Sean Lamont,
11 Max Evans,
10 Dan Parks,
9 Chris Cusiter;
8 David Denton,
7 Ross Rennie,
6 Alasdair Strokosch,
5 Jim Hamilton,
4 Richie Gray,
3 Euan Murray,
2 Ross Ford (captain),
1 Allan Jacobsen.

Replacements: Scott Lawson, Geoff Cross, Alastair Kellock, John Barclay, Mike Blair, Greig Laidlaw, Graeme Morrison.

Added Spice
The Scottish Rugby Union have been left embarassed after T-shirts boasting of a Calcutta Cup win appeared on sale five days before this Saturday's match.

The mistake by the SRU's online retail partner led to T-shirts from Scotland's win in 2008 being re-released.

The shirts bore the logo: "Calcutta Cup. Scotland. Winners."

The blunder comes days after Scotland head coach Andy Robinson stood by comments he made after the World Cup accusing England of 'arrogance'.

England Squad

15 Ben Foden;
14 Chris Ashton;
13 Brad Barritt,
12 Owen Farrell,
11 David Strettle;
10 Charlie Hodgson;
9 Ben Youngs;
1 Alex Corbisiero,
2 Dylan Hartley,
3 Dan Cole;
4 Mouritz Botha,
5 Tom Palmer;
6 Tom Croft,
7 Chris Robshaw (captain),
8 Phil Dowson.

Replacements: Rob Webber, Matt Stevens, Geoff Parling, Ben Morgan, Lee Dickson, Jordan Turner-Hall, Mike Brown.

[Coleman]

Robshaw has been invisible. Whats the hype about?

[eirebilly]

Again

[rodders]

Dentons been the only decent player on the pitch. The other 29 + the referee should face a firing squad for producing this dirge.

[mystiroakey]

well played enngland- havent seen such discipline in defence for donkies years.

not a great game from us- but we normally give away a thousand pens a game!

[eirebilly]

Robshaw has been invisible. Whats the hype about?

He was everywhere in the first half. I think that he has had a very good match

[Shifty]

Richie Gray, Denton and Lamont the only players capable of getting into the squad of Ireland and Wales.

[Cari]

France for the championship then...?

We will know that after we beat Wales tomorrow and travel to Paris next week Cari.

That's fighting talk that is Gibbo!

I say no GS and Wales for the TC this year

[Coleman]

If Scotland finish last, can we give them the wooden clever as all they do is butcher chances.

[Gibson]

Thank God thats over. Bring back Stictly Come Dancing.

[Cari]

Robshaw has been invisible. Whats the hype about?

No he wasn't. I noticed him earlier when he lost his shirt in a fight.

England win. Scotland will be gutted.

[mystiroakey]

lol to the op- all the options are win by 7 points points or loose by 7 points- haha

[nathan]

even though the game was chod, that was a massive win for england.

[eirebilly]

Congrats England but all down to Scotlands own inability

[Notch]

Well, that was crap from Scotland to be fair. To not score ANY points in the second half?!

This team has not evolved at all in the previous two years under Robinson has it?

[PJHolybloke]

That'll do pig, that'll do.

[glamorganalun]

Wooden spoon for Scotland on that performance

[Shifty]

No progress at all from Scotland...
What on earth can any coach to any different?
Scotland are playing the best players and they play like a bunch of idiots.

[mystiroakey]

Congrats England but all down to Scotlands own inability

lol to the false complement

[trebellbobaggins]

Well , Scotland had to win that, where do they go from here? No better chance, these eng kids will only get better.

[Cari]

Well I'm not worried about England or Scotland after that.

[wales606]

What the f*ck Scotland?

How can they play that badly?

[ChequeredJersey]

Thank god Scotland can't handle. Can't wait to have Tuilagi and Wood and Lawes back

[mystiroakey]

Well I'm not worried about England or Scotland after that.

do you think we are worried about wales?

[Coleman]

Is Denton a Saffer?

[eirebilly]

Congrats England but all down to Scotlands own inability

lol to the false complement

It is a compliment. But do you honestly believe that England were the better team? I dont. Scotland were dire in finishing things off

[Gibson]

France for the championship then...?

We will know that after we beat Wales tomorrow and travel to Paris next week Cari.

That's fighting talk that is Gibbo!

I say no GS and Wales for the TC this year

Well, unlike the Welsh - who are obsessed with them, I dont care about SLAMS. Just want the Championship.

[Mad for Chelsea]

England brilliant in defense, very disciplined, and TBH I'll take that very happily

Botha surprisingly excellent.

[Shifty]

ah that explains it... I wondered how on earth Scotland developed Denton and he has a South African accent...

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

lets face it scotland lost that, England was as bad as the last two times they went up there. The seven points they won by were gifted to them.

Owf really looks out of his depth at this level, first cap or not looked scared out there. Id rather have the lad laidlaw in the England set up.

[Shifty]

Well, unlike the Welsh - who are obsessed with them, I dont care about SLAMS. Just want the Championship.

What good is the championship without the slam?

[Cari]

Well I'm not worried about England or Scotland after that.

do you think we are worried about wales?

I don't think about it - I don't care about you lot. I was speaking for myself.

[mystiroakey]

Congrats England but all down to Scotlands own inability

lol to the false complement

It is a compliment. But do you honestly believe that England were the better team? I dont. Scotland were dire in finishing things off

we won the game- it was a game won by a completly new team- england will only get better.

englands discipline was very good- that can be congratulated

[Pal Joey]

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Congrats mate.

Some work needed before Italy but they'll need to lift their game. Defence was pretty good even though Scotland were playing with lemon pips.

[Coleman]

Hes not a Saffer! Hes from Rhodesia! Dirty Scotland poaching a poor developing rugby nation.

[mystiroakey]

Well I'm not worried about England or Scotland after that.

do you think we are worried about wales?

I don't think about it - I don't care about you lot. I was speaking for myself.

cant wait for englandd v wales

[IanBru]

Congratulations England - the better team won.

Hes not a Saffer! Hes from Rhodesia! Dirty Scotland poaching a poor developing rugby nation.

Erm, Zimbabwe has a pretty big Scottish ex-patriot community, myself included.

[KickAndChase]

Can we at least start with Laidlaw next time now? PLEASE?

[Notch]

No progress at all from Scotland...
What on earth can any coach to any different?
Scotland are playing the best players and they play like a bunch of idiots.

Is it not the job of the coach to actually work with them, to get them prepared mentally, physically and tactically so they don't... well, do that?

The fact that Robinson inherited these problems is no reflection on his ability. The fact that he's had the job for a few years and the team have made no progress under his watch certainly is.

[Gibson]

Glad for Lancaster. Honest geezer, thrown into this by the disaster that is the RFU. AR must be pulling his hair ou.. oh too late.

[Cari]

Commiserations IanBru - you must be feeling frustrated after that.

Look at that! At least Wales aren't bottom!

[eirebilly]

Congrats England but all down to Scotlands own inability

lol to the false complement

It is a compliment. But do you honestly believe that England were the better team? I dont. Scotland were dire in finishing things off

we won the game- it was a game won by a completly new team- england will only get better.

englands discipline was very good- that can be congratulated

Pretty sure that i complimented Englands discipline earlier....

I argue that Engalnd WON that game, i think more that Scotland lost it.

[Shifty]

I don't think about it - I don't care about you lot. I was speaking for myself.

[Mad for Chelsea]

Positives for England:

- first win in Scotland since 2004
- excellent last defense throughout
- the pack fronted up really well, scrum and breakdown which were highlighted as weaknesses went well.

Negatives:
- didn't really create anything
- poor composure in the second half. When we had possession, we usually turned it over in two phases at most
- Scotland made quite a few clean breaks

[Cari]

Going to watch the rugby forum on the Red Button.

[ChequeredJersey]

On the bright side at least we won. on the not bright side Robshaw, love him as I do,is not a 7 (I'd like to see him at 6), Dowson is not an 8 and Croft is not a starting flanker

[Gibson]

Well, unlike the Welsh - who are obsessed with them, I dont care about SLAMS. Just want the Championship.

What good is the championship without the slam?

See what I mean? Unbelievable.

At least Wales wont be last this time out.

[Shifty]

Commiserations IanBru - you must be feeling frustrated after that.

Look at that! At least Wales aren't bottom!

Yeah were always getting screwed... if they put our proper name in as Cymru we'd of been leading the table this morning, not bottom of it as Wales!

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

England brilliant in defense, very disciplined, and TBH I'll take that very happily

Botha surprisingly excellent.

A lot of missed tackles,and several times all at sea in terms of organisation. They only didnt leak tries because of Scotish handling errors and a lack of ability. Some bad decision making in their own half too. I dont think you can call that brilliant in defense, the big plus though was the lack of kickable penalties....not even warned for a yellow card!

Agree on Botha. he made a few errors but actually one of the few new players to looks like he is capable of being a genuinely good international. Frongt row, corbs in particular , was a big plus point too.
But with the ball England offered nothing. Its a waste of time having Strettle and Ashton in the back 3, all it did was put them under pressure through a lack of kicking and not having big tacklers. Bring back Cueto if we arent going to pass the ball ever.

[Cari]

Dan Parks and Scotland's inability to win are the big topics of conversation.

[Shifty]

See what I mean? Unbelievable.

At least Wales wont be last this time out.

We havent won a wooden spoon for years!

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