The All New England v Wales bickering thread, 2012

[HERSH]

First topic message reminder :

Same idea as the last one created by TycroesOsprey, but this time can we please stay on topic and no silly ponies.

"OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads. "

Let it commence

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

No Welsh player has said that, they are expecting a massive battle and have said so in the press.

And to be fair , it was the English who started winding up other countries in the press - their cricket captain claiming they will 'humble' the West Indian cricket team. Didn't work out so well...

Well that was Tony Greig, who was a Saffer.

Maybe I shouldn't bring up the issue of Saffers playing for England...

Its the lack of black south africans that really worries me but I wouldnt want to suggest all English people are massive racists ....

[trebellbobaggins]

have we gone back to the future here?

[RubyGuby]

I think what he actually said was, "we are going to humiliate the english, south africans, samoans, americans, new zealanders, northerners and burn their house down"

Get your facts right

What's that coming over the hill Is it a monster - NO its George and the boys and they are coming to town

[HERSH]

George North has a monster!

Monster what?

If its true Gareth Thomas might come out, of retirement.

[Cowshot]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17135337

Last bit on this blog.

chuckle. People do get a bit overexcited in the week before the game. It's not much more than a rumour, but we'll take it thank you!

[RubyGuby]

Sausage roll please?

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I can't watch that now as I'm at work. Who says what?

[RubyGuby]

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Dawson is a reknowned mass debator

[Cowshot]

Dawson says he's heard a Welsh player said it. His comment was, "WELL! Imagine being an English player reading THAT!"

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Imagine being an England player who can read

[HERSH]

This Welsh team is so arrogant since they won 4th place at the RWC.

[Cowshot]

Dawson is a reknowned mass debator

Knows how to turn things his way like all good scrum halves.

[eirebilly]

This Welsh team is so arrogant since they won lost to three sides on their way to crashing out to 4th place at the RWC.

Fixed that for you HERSH

[Luckless Pedestrian]

So it's not even an unattributed quotation, it's just something Matt Dawson says he's heard. How can you pin nothing to a dressing room wall?

[Luckless Pedestrian]

This Welsh team is so arrogant since they won lost to three sides on their way to crashing out to 4th place at the RWC.

Fixed that for you HERSH

Oi! What have Wales ever done to you, Billy?

Oops, probably shouldn't have asked that...

[HERSH]

They could pin a picture of Matt Dawson to the wall.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Does it have to be just a picture?

[eirebilly]

This Welsh team is so arrogant since they won lost to three sides on their way to crashing out to 4th place at the RWC.

Fixed that for you HERSH

Oi! What have Wales ever done to you, Billy?

Oops, probably shouldn't have asked that...

Cheating Welsh who dont score try's with the correct balls and simulate tip tackles to win penalties.....

[HERSH]

What pin Matt Dawson to the wall?

sounds a bit kinky Luckless!

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Give me Tuffers any day!

[HERSH]

Squeal piggy squeal

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Is that one of England's lineout calls?

[Cowshot]

Is that one of England's lineout calls?

If it's not it should be!

[HERSH]

I know on the Welsh lineout we'll be saying 'thank you very much'

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I think the main one is " Bennet just give us the ball now and save the hassle of going through all this faffing about"

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Bennett? That's Ken Owens's nickname now, is it?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

No its the name of the ball boy, I thought he took Wales' lineouts?

[Glas a du]

Dawson says he's heard a Welsh player said it. His comment was, "WELL! Imagine being an English player reading THAT!"

That'll backfire as the English players will know it's not true and end up hating Dawson (if they don't already)

[miteyironpaw]

I'd like to thank you all. The last couple of days have really cleared something up for me.

I'm now completely certain that I'd really like it if Wales didn't win this weekend.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Will Wales just have Austin Healys twitter feed direct to their "mobile lifestyle devices" in the dressing room as motivation?

[Glas a du]

No its the name of the ball boy, I thought he took Wales' lineouts?

That's quite witty

[Glas a du]

Will Wales just have Austin Healys twitter feed direct to their "mobile lifestyle devices" in the dressing room as motivation?

No they'll just play the clip in 2008, when he said that the Championship was all about England and France, as it ever was.

[eirebilly]

I would hate to think what would happen should this game end in a draw

[Glas a du]

Lots of spontaneous combustion.

[Cowshot]

That'll backfire as the English players will know it's not true and end up hating Dawson (if they don't already)

I don't think any England player would feel a need to think too deeply about it - at least not until after the game.

[beshocked]

Probably already mentioned but North,Davies,Cuthbert and Lydiate were all born in England.

Warburton and Cuthbert have English fathers.

Surprised by the amount of Welsh with English roots.

Yes before anyone says - England have a lot of players not born in England too.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I'm not sure that being born in England to Welsh parents (as was the case for George North and JD2) counts as having English roots.

[HERSH]

If it was a draw then Wales would win it morally.

[HERSH]

Us English get everywhere don't we

Lock up your daughters this weekend they'll be a loads of Welshmen hell bent on revenge.

[miteyironpaw]

I suspect it will be a Welsh moral victory if any of the following are true:
1. The game is called off for any reason
2. Whilst losing, Wales score as many or more tries than England
3. The game is a draw
4. Wales lose by less than 7 points and there is at least one controversial refereeing decision
5. There is turn over ball from any scrum
6. Wales win any lineout
7. George North scores a try
8. The aggregate score of this game and the last game won by Wales gives a net point tally that is atleast a draw
9. Anyone milks a penalty by diving out of a lineout.

[Glas a du]

Us English get everywhere don't we

Lock up your daughters this weekend they'll be a loads of Welshmen hell bent on revenge.

I'd heard they were loose.

[nobbled]

I would hate to think what would happen should this game end in a draw

Frankly I'd be delighted!

[HERSH]

Not as loose as they are in the valleys, I always found Barry girls to be free flowing too

[nobbled]

I'm not sure that being born in England to Welsh parents (as was the case for George North and JD2) counts as having English roots.

Um, apart from North's English father?

[Glas a du]

Not as loose as they are in the valleys, I always found Barry girls to be free flowing too

That's wasn't looseness, it was pity

[Luckless Pedestrian]

His dad's English? Oh, well that's that, I hate him now. I'll sulk if he scores on the weekend.

[HERSH]

When Wales win on Saturday I hope they don't do that disrespectful lap of honour like they did in Dublin.

[Glas a du]

The lap wasn't disrespectful but the pint swigging gestures from Phillips may have been...ill advised?

[beshocked]

I'm not sure that being born in England to Welsh parents (as was the case for George North and JD2) counts as having English roots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17120949

Might be wrong but I got the impression from this article than JD2 has an English parent too.

This is where I got the idea that there were a fair few Welsh players with English connections.

Nothing wrong with having a few English connections.

[HERSH]

The lap wasn't disrespectful but the pint swigging gestures from Phillips may have been...ill advised?

It was a disgrace, given the circumstances.

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