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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:10 pm

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With Bournemouth looking like they've got Iturbe done on loan with a view to permanent then I guess that's the signal to get this thread going

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:38 pm

Probably go to Spurs too I'd say
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:30 pm

We won't sell to Spurs, its an image thing. And I don't think Liverpool would have the money for a player of his age, considering their transfer committee or Klopp's style. They'd have to offer likely in the higher £30 million bracket for a player who will be 29 come the summer window. Considering the statement of the stadium and the TV money, I don't see him being pulled away. The only options who would really entice him will not be interested.

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Post by Crimey Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:37 pm

If he is bought, the biggest suitors will likely be Middle East and China.

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Post by GSC Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:49 pm

I don't think Liverpool would remotely go for him considering their squad balance before they sign Texeira. But he'd go there from West Ham if the chance came.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:59 am

I'm honestly not sure he would. He's happy, settled, already got his move to England and gets to live in London. We have all the prospects facing upwards. I'm not sure he'd go to Liverpool on the basis of name. I don't see them making top four so there just isn't any pull there.

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Post by GSC Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:02 am

Klopp remains, money talks and the name has value. There's really only London as a home in West Hams favor.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:12 am

I don't think Klopp would be a big enough pull for him to go to Liverpool. They probably won't pay him much more than us, they don't have champions league, and we have all this potential right now. Lanzini I would worry about as he's not ours and he's younger, but Payet will be here for a good while

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Post by GSC Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:31 am

If I were a betting man, Id bet on Liverpools ending up higher than West Hams potential. No offense.

Klopp is a pretty big draw, has an aura from his Dortmund stint. Not sure Liverpool are a prime draw, but I think you're probably overselling West Ham.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:40 am

None taken, and their potential more than likely is, but I'm just not sure its enough of a difference over the next few years to be (considering he's 29 in the summer) to be worth the move. If he's not going to win the league or play CL football with them in the short term then it's just not going to be a big deal. United, City, Arsenal and even Chelsea maybe, if they suddenly came in I'd be worried. But no one outside of the insane power houses would worry me. And considering their policies, I would be very surprised if City or Arsenal offered the money needed, and quite surprised if Chelsea did. United are impossible to predict, they may throw money at instant impact signings, but I still feel 29 is likely too old.

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Post by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:26 am

Payet is going nowhere, unless a PSG or a top 4 come calling, in the region of £25m, but seeing as nobody touched him last summer, when he was tearing up Ligue 1, says everything. Similar to Cabaye, but Dimitri is like two or three years older, so even more unlikely to move. Liverpool is no great move at he minute, still a woeful side & going to take two or three years, just to get back to a top 4 possibly. Dimitri don't have that amount of time, will enjoy London & the Olympic stadium & by that time he's into his 30's & past his best. WHU got him at the perfect time.
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Post by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:40 pm

Sky colleagues in Germany: Liverpool make offer for Schalke's Joel Matip. His contract runs out in the summer. He wants to leave. #LFC. Granit Xhaka also rumoured to be heading to Anfield this summer.

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Post by lfc91 Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:43 pm

What I wouldn't give to sign these players we are being linked with... However, if recent experiance has taught me anything it is that we generally don't get our number one targets. Also, players like Teixiera, Xhaka, ter-stegen etc are good enough to play for a variety of clubs in the CL (maybe not the very best but most others) so it would take a lot of belief/money (likely both) to convince them that liverpool was the place to be considering we are currently in what will in all likelihood be a long rebuild.

However, heres hoping the name of Liverpool/Klopp will have enough pulling power to attract at least a few...

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Post by Crimey Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Apparently Gary Cahill is trying to get out of Chelsea because he's worried he'll lose his spot at the Euros. Imagine it's too late now, but wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer.

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Post by Crimey Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:31 pm

Chelsea are supposedly interested in Robin Van Persie, although it'd take a big offer to get him.

Just can't see it myself, I know he wants to leave Turkey, but he showed in his final year at United that he couldn't cut it any more and his wages and price-tag would be far too high for it to be worth it.

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Post by Crimey Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:55 pm

Ramires has gone to the Chinese side for £25 million. Crazy money for him really, he's 28, not played well for a couple of years and Chelsea make a profit. I think they may want to think about bringing in some kind of reinforcement for Ramires, especially if they plan to progress in the Champions League.

Leicester have reportedly bid £8 million for Loic Remy.

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Post by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:19 pm

Lorient accept bid from Sunderland for defender Lamine Kone. Leicester's bid was £7.6m for Loic Remy. Florian Thauvin will leave Newcastle on loan to Marseille & odds on Gomis have also dropped on him joining Newcastle

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Post by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:21 pm

I do not want Bafetimbi Gomis

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Post by Crimey Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:53 pm

Chelsea are signing Matt Miazga, a promising young US centre back. He's started taking Dutch lessons as we speak.

Strange how active Chelsea are being in this window considering they don't have a permanent manager in place.

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Post by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:06 pm

Ramires (represented by Kia Joorabchian) will net Chelsea a big fee on the same day that Chelseaa sign Pato (represented by Kia Joorabchian). Someone's had a good day.

As for Chelsea being active, it's all low risk stuff. Ramires is money in the bank & then Miazga is costing peanuts & Pato is a loan. They won't do anything major until the summer, when Falcao is off the books & probably Pato, when he fails. They might lose Remy, but it's not a huge blow for Chelsea.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:31 pm

I'm gutted about Pato. I think he has it in him to come again.

Sam has the same targets wherever he goes. He's chased two people we chased relentlessly and never bought. I'd imagine Sullivan didn't trust him, but Sunderland do.

Great work to get rid of Ramires. Work horse with little technical ability.

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Post by Crimey Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:08 am

I think Pato will struggle, a similar signing to Salah and Cuardrado I think for Chelsea. He did have his best spell through the middle and you'd think that's where he will play, but wouldn't be surprised to see him pushed wide so as to keep Costa in the side.

Does anybody else think Hazard may leave in the summer? He's had an incredibly poor year this year, but would still command a huge fee. I'm not sure if his heart is in it any more, so if Real Madrid come in with a huge bid, would Chelsea sell? It wouldn't surprise me to see a chain of reaction, with Real Madrid selling Ronaldo to PSG, Chelsea selling Hazard to Real Madrid and then Chelsea signing Reus.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:33 am

Donkey Mike Williamson is going to Wolves

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:39 am

Crimey wrote:I think Pato will struggle, a similar signing to Salah and Cuardrado I think for Chelsea. He did have his best spell through the middle and you'd think that's where he will play, but wouldn't be surprised to see him pushed wide so as to keep Costa in the side.

Does anybody else think Hazard may leave in the summer? He's had an incredibly poor year this year, but would still command a huge fee. I'm not sure if his heart is in it any more, so if Real Madrid come in with a huge bid, would Chelsea sell? It wouldn't surprise me to see a chain of reaction, with Real Madrid selling Ronaldo to PSG, Chelsea selling Hazard to Real Madrid and then Chelsea signing Reus.
Just swapping one diva for another... least they wouldn't have to worry about him flying over to Morocco to spend the night with his "friend" three times a week

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Post by Fernando Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:49 am

Alex Teixeira unlikely to join Liverpool due to Shaktar wanting 38m & Liverpool offering 10m less- Sky

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Post by Crimey Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:53 am

£38 million is far too much for him, would rather the club stuck to its guns and refused to pay now. Go back in the summer when Shaktar would be more likely to sell, even if it does risk other teams swooping for him.

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Post by Fernando Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:10 pm

Id be happier paying £38m for him then £32m for Benteke.

I suspect will come down to around £34-35m by Monday & will get over the line.

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Post by Crimey Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:18 pm

I'm not so sure when he hasn't played in a major European league, he's done a good job in European competition, but having only played in Brazil and then Ukraine, I'm not sure he has proven himself to be worth £38 million. Benteke, whilst not worth £32 million, had at the very least shown a proven ability to score goals in the Premier League; which to be fair, he has done at Liverpool.

Supposedly Stoke are offering Bojan a new contract because they've been alerted that Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea are all interested.

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Post by Fernando Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:22 pm

Newcastle linked with Kieran Gibbs guess that would explain us going Ben Chilwell from Leicester.

Benteke scores goals then takes 3 months off before scoring some more not what a CL chasing club needs. It's not worth £32m.  

Id take a punt on Texeira if he's anywhere near as good as Willian & Douglas Costa then you've got yourself a very decent player thumbsup Still not convinced you need an AM though Laugh

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Post by lfc91 Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:33 pm

For the right team Benteke may well be worth around 20-25 million (the right team being one that bases there game around playing to his strengths). For Liverpool that isn't the case so what we paid for him was way WAY over the odds as he is effectively a squad player who seems to have one foot out the door.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:42 pm

lfc91 wrote:For the right team Benteke may well be worth around 20-25 million (the right team being one that bases there game around playing to his strengths). For Liverpool that isn't the case so what we paid for him was way WAY over the odds as he is effectively a squad player who seems to have one foot out the door.
Don't see why we can't keep Benteke and, when he's on the pitch, play to those strengths then when Sturridge is fit, play to his strengths as well. It seems clear that Benteke lacks the ability to play alongside Sturridge but for £60k a week I'd like to think some of these LFC players can alternate between putting a cross into the box for Tekkers to head and threading a pass for Sturridge to run onto. FFS imagine a game where they actually did both.


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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:44 pm

cant see pato being a success, when players have had there feet up playing in easy leagues then try to come to the prem which is the toughest league to play in, it rarely works out. only have to see what become of falcao having his feet up to see what it does to players. would have thought after that loan they would have learnt

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Post by Crimey Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:08 pm

Or you know Falcao suffered a very serious knee injury, rushed his recovery to try and make the World Cup and is now suffering the consequences. He played in the Portugese, Spanish and French leagues, before then trying to come to the Premier League; I'm not sure where he was supposed to have put his feet up?

With Benteke, it's also got to be noted that he was a signing that Rodgers pushed for heavily. The rumours are that Rodgers said he'd only agree to Firminio if Benteke was also bought. The transfer committee gets a lot of stick but there's a fair bit of evidence that they've actually been a lot more successful in the market than Rodgers' own picks.

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Post by GSC Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:00 pm

This Berahino thing is just sad. Enough has been said on Berahinos conduct, but Peace is just digging his heels in for the sake of it now. Just let him go while he he still has some value, nobody is winning from this.
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Post by Alistair Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:09 pm

Pato is a Mourinho signing and i can't help but think he saw him as potentially another Bojan. Same sort of background, same career path.

£38m is ridiculous money for Texeira.

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Post by Crimey Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:10 pm

I understand Pearce wanting to show that players can't force a move out and that they can refuse to sell if they want to. However, Berahino's price is only going to decrease, Pulis clearly doesn't actually want him and so by the time he does inevitably leave, instead of £20+ million to invest, it'll be £10 million or so. Surely the extra money is worth more than the principle?

Pearce has already proved his point I feel, they can't be held ransom to the players. However in this case Pulis isn't actually going to use him.

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Post by Alistair Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:19 pm

It's 'Peace', Crimey!

But you are right, Berahino scoring goals and playing week in, week out is going to get him noticed and hold his value; rotting on the bench and doing nothing isn't going to make many teams part with money.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:44 pm

Fernando wrote:Newcastle linked with Kieran Gibbs

You must be bloody joking, pile of dog ****, who's injured for 30+ games a season.

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Post by Fernando Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:37 pm

John wrote:
Fernando wrote:Newcastle linked with Kieran Gibbs

You must be bloody joking, pile of dog ****, who's injured for 30+ games a season.

Yet he's still better then anything you have at LB. I love Toon fans on twitter one called it a great signing then tagged Oxlade Chamberlain pic to it Laugh

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:40 pm

Fernando wrote:
John wrote:
Fernando wrote:Newcastle linked with Kieran Gibbs

You must be bloody joking, pile of dog ****, who's injured for 30+ games a season.

Yet he's still better then anything you have at LB. I love Toon fans on twitter one called it a great signing then tagged Oxlade Chamberlain pic to it Laugh

A reference to the Chelsea red card I think.

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Post by Fernando Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:41 pm

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John wrote:
Fernando wrote:Newcastle linked with Kieran Gibbs

You must be bloody joking, pile of dog ****, who's injured for 30+ games a season.

Yet he's still better then anything you have at LB. I love Toon fans on twitter one called it a great signing then tagged Oxlade Chamberlain pic to it Laugh

A reference to the Chelsea red card I think.

It didn't need explaining fella Laugh

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Post by GSC Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:43 pm

It did to me
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:23 pm

Crimey wrote:Supposedly Stoke are offering Bojan a new contract because they've been alerted that Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea are all interested.

Nonsense. He hasn't been anywhere near as effective, post his cruciate knee ligament injury. Tops teams are not touching him.

As for Gibbs, distinctly average, but Newcastle seem to be going 'English' now, so wouldn't surprise me to see him join.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:12 pm

For some reason, we want Sandro from QPR. Puzzling

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:45 pm

We're apparently in for Jedinak and Bamford. Meh
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Post by Alistair Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:50 am

Pulis has completely sold Berahino down the river this morning. Quite embarrassing really.

Apparently they will accept bids of £20m for him, but not from Newcastle.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:07 pm

Understandable. We aren't stupid, like Swansea, to sell to a direct rival.

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Post by GSC Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:59 pm

Its just so sad. Berahino acted like an idiot, but Peace is now digging his heels in because he can.

The point has been proven, making a player rot in the reserves and passing up 20m in favor of running down his contract and going to tribunal over a player who hasn't played in 2 years seems more like a personal issue than a business decision. Id argue it probably harms the club image to transfer targets and definitely harms the club when that money could be reinvested in a player Pulis actually wants.
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Post by Crimey Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:13 pm

Shaktar have said Liverpool must pay Texeira's release clause of £53 million, so can't see that deal happening. That's silly money. I wouldn't be happy with spending even over £30 million on him. He's 26, uncapped and has never played in a major league. I understand he's doing well now and maybe if Chelsea swoop in the summer and get him for £35 million and he's a huge success I'll think differently, but for now I'd rather not pay anything over £30 million for him.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:08 pm

GSC wrote:Its just so sad. Berahino acted like an idiot, but Peace is now digging his heels in because he can.

The point has been proven, making a player rot in the reserves and passing up 20m in favor of running down his contract and going to tribunal over a player who hasn't played in 2 years seems more like a personal issue than a business decision. Id argue it probably harms the club image to transfer targets and definitely harms the club when that money could be reinvested in a player Pulis actually wants.

It doesn't help anybody in any way at all. It's bizarre
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Post by Mat Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:15 pm

I'm all for this stance for several reasons.

1) He acted like an ungrateful little Poopie after one good season, disrespected the club that brought him up and kept faith with him despite several misdemeanours, disrespected the fans and is now reaping what he sowed instead of being rewarded for acting up.

2) I wouldn't sell to a relegation rival, so that rules Newcastle out.

3) We turned down Spurs' bid in the summer because it was only three million up front, it was a deal that Levy would never accept for one of his players but because we're a smaller club he thought we would just accept and be grateful someone wanted one of our players. If he comes back in with a proper bid this window, then I'd guess we'd accept.

4) He was being reintergrated into the side, 3 goals in 4 games in fact, before he decided to once again act Billy Big Love sacks and as widely reported turned up late for training, putting his headphones during the half-time team talk etc.

And the reason he's not being picked, for anyone who has seen us this season, is that he's pretty much doubled in size.

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